War in Ukraine

[luthervol]

Never would have pictured you as an advocate for escalating to WW3. Sending supplies to Ukraine is not the same as getting NATO aircraft involved in shooting down Russian planes.

They wouldn't shoot down Russian plans if Russia didn't violate the no-fly zone.
Why do you guys think he would violate the no-fly zone.
Do you actually think Putin wants a war he knows he cannot win?

 

[volbound1700]

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We do have the might, the issue is that we don't have the will power. However, it probably is too late to do anything about Ukraine now. Our main methods to stop it existed in January prior to the invasion. Had we guaranteed Ukrainian independence, sent troops to Ukraine, and armed the Ukrainian military, war may not have happened in the first place.

 

[landscapingvol]

I think you are buying into all the stats you post , if you think any country couldn’t put us in our place with a nuke and first strike . You guys have lost you damn minds . You thinking Russia can’t cause wide scale death on an international level is nuts . TIK TOK videos of left behind puppies and burned tanks has fcked with your rational thinking process .

That would end the World for Russia as well

 

[luthervol]

Sanctions arent military action, I dont care what Ras says. No fly zones are military actions. I dont care that Russia is starting to counter sanction us. That's not people dying.

Going from booing in the stands to suiting up and a playing in the third down short yardage package are two very different scenarios of involvement.

We can just agree to disagree.

 

[Velo Vol]

Pretty good.

 

[LouderVol]

What war is he winning?

Ukraine. Typically if you hold decent portions of a foreign country you can be considered winning.

Not say it's long term winning. But right now I would put the balance of power in that fight with Russia. Ukraine hasnt made serious gains in retaking territory yet.

 

[0nelilreb]

He adheres to the no fly zone.

Who was the last dictator that did what they were told to do by another country they considered their foe ? I can’t figure out if you sound more like John McCaine or John Bolton .

 

[KB5252]

We have been sending messages since 2014, that is what started this mess.

I get it, we helped Ukraine get rid of an effected leader who crawfished them. But those games were being played by Russia as well, they just lost.....

 

[0nelilreb]

That would end the World for Russia as well

Of course it would

 

[NurseGoodVol]

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He adheres to the no fly zone.

he parks 6 typhoon class submarines off the east coast… still want that no fly zone? Putting NATO fighters ( us airman) in close proximity with Russian airmen is a mistake.

 

[norrislakevol]

I think it is you who are dense....you said, and I quote
"He doesn’t understand the ramifications of a NATO plane downing a Russian aircraft."

as if you do understand the ramifications. If it's never been done, no one knows anything, it's purely speculation.
Putin's playing on that fear of the unknown as he slaughters innocent people.

You're right, we don't know the ramifications. Could go better than we think, or it could go sideways in a big hurry. Not worth the gamble. I am not willing to risk potentially millions of European lives and millions of American lives to find out. Even if innocents are dying halfway around the globe. The risk for millions upon millions of dead and financial ruin to all isn't worth it for the sake of Ukraine.

 

[LouderVol]

We can just agree to disagree.

Russia started it with Ukraine. That doesnt involve us.

We started with sanctions. That doesnt involve the military, so I am ok with it.

We start enforcing or declaring a no fly zone, that does involve the military, and that would be the US inserting itself militarily into something only involving Ulraine and Russia militarily.

I dont consider the world wide volunteers, ob both sides, as military involvement for the record.

 

[allvol123]

Ukraine. Typically if you hold decent portions of a foreign country you can be considered winning.

Not say it's long term winning. But right now I would put the balance of power in that fight with Russia. Ukraine hasnt made serious gains in retaking territory yet.

I don’t see much winning. They are a month in and haven’t taken the capital. Most things I have read said that should already have been done.

Recruiting Syrians to bolster your military, a military that has 75% of its forces dedicated to this operation. Again, not winning.

More KIA in one month, than the US has had in the past 20 years of its war mongering. Again, not winning.

 

[Velo Vol]

Ukraine. Typically if you hold decent portions of a foreign country you can be considered winning.

The fighting has essentially turned into a stalemate.

 

[Sandman 423]

Ouch.... I thought the rest of the world was supposed to respect us again....

 

[luthervol]

Who was the last dictator that did what they were told to do by another country they considered their foe ? I can’t figure out if you sound more like John McCaine or John Bolton .

Castro?

 

[davethevol]

The fighting has essentially turned into a stalemate.

Until Russia decides to use something biological or chemical. They aren’t going to let this stay a stalemate. It has been said that Russia wants to try out some of their new technology, and this will give them the excuse to do so.

 

[TheDeeble]

They wouldn't shoot down Russian plans if Russia didn't violate the no-fly zone.
Why do you guys think he would violate the no-fly zone.
Do you actually think Putin wants a war he knows he cannot win?

I don't think anyone that has skin in the game is interested in finding out. For now it's a military conflict between Ukraine and Russia. For the US, NATO, or European countries to declare a no fly zone and enforce it escalates the military involvement. Nobody wants that right now other than Ukraine.

 

[landscapingvol]

Ukraine. Typically if you hold decent portions of a foreign country you can be considered winning.

Not say it's long term winning. But right now I would put the balance of power in that fight with Russia. Ukraine hasnt made serious gains in retaking territory yet.

I would hope they are winning. They make Iraq's military especially in the Persian Gulf War look like Germany in 1942

 

[LouderVol]

The fighting has essentially turned into a stalemate.

In Ukraine. If the stalemate was on the border I would chalk this up as a Ukraine win.

 

[LouderVol]

I don’t see much winning. They are a month in and haven’t taken the capital. Most things I have read said that should already have been done.

Recruiting Syrians to bolster your military, a military that has 75% of its forces dedicated to this operation. Again, not winning.

More KIA in one month, than the US has had in the past 20 years of its war mongering. Again, not winning.

Winning could be being up 3-0 after the first possession of the game. Doesnt make any predictors on the rest of the game. But at the time its winning.

Civilians continuing to get bombed is not Ukraine winning.
Not controlling your own skies is not Ukraine winning.
Fighting miles outside their capital and on at least two other fronts inside your own territory is not Ukraine winning.

The war isnt over one way or the other.

 

[Sandman 423]

They wouldn't shoot down Russian plans if Russia didn't violate the no-fly zone.
Why do you guys think he would violate the no-fly zone.
Do you actually think Putin wants a war he knows he cannot win?

Who is this and is Luther ok?

 

[0nelilreb]

Castro?

Lol he did what he was told to do ? You mean we told Castro to straighten up or else and he did ?

 

[0nelilreb]

Who is this and is Luther ok?

John Bolton had hacked into Luths VN account . Lol

 

[tvolsfan]

Castro?

This isn't a good example for your argument. We made the deal with Khrushchev. Castro was absolutely pissed off and seemed more than willing to risk everything to blow us all up.