War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
What we could do is a topic that should have been answered by now. If we thought we had a significant tactical advantage, we would have acted by now.

Whether the US has the better conventional equipment and armaments isn't really the debate. Again, let me say this one more time... is it a significant enough advantage to withstand a Russian response? The answer is to this point a "no".

So now their only hope is to create a false flag and maybe pull a few more people off the fence to their side, but even then, it is clear that the US wants to lead from behind and put a battery in the backs of these European nations to go fight Russia. And in general, I'm in agreement that this is a European issue for them to resolve. But the problem is the US is agitating and escalating and then hiding behind the Poles and the Germans. No different than a Karen talking s^^t and kicking sand on the body builder on the beach and then she runs over to her husband to defend her. Or even worse, the husband (the US) doing that and then he runs behind his wife (Poland and Germany).
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The only reason the answer is no is because of MAD, you can't seriously believe Russia could win in Ukraine should we have decided to join the fight.

The answer is right in front of you.... Russia threatened nuclear war if we intervened for a reason..... He wants no part of us in a conventional military battlefield.
 
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volgr said:
He overestimated being able to sway Ukrainian leaders/military to lay down their weapons, the Ukrainian's resolve to resist and the power of Western propaganda. Russia is still achieving their goals and making advances, just slower than they wanted.
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He overestimated every aspect. From Ukrainian resolve, to the capability of his "army" to the world uniting behind crippling sanctions.

He got everything wrong. His bravado will leave Ukraine in ruins but he will be left exposed as a tyrant, war criminal and the guy who set Russia back 110 years. He will be mentioned in history alongside of Mao, Hitler, Mussolini and other despots.

If that was "achieving their goals", then I would agree.
 
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Septic said:
He overestimated every aspect. From Ukrainian resolve, to the capability of his "army" to the world uniting behind crippling sanctions.

He got everything wrong. His bravado will leave Ukraine in ruins but he will be left exposed as a tyrant, war criminal and the guy who set Russia back 110 years. He will be mentioned in history alongside of Mao, Hitler, Mussolini and other despots.

If that was "achieving their goals", then I would agree.
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That is ridiculous.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is enough... or should be enough for the people on our side to be more cautious then. Don't be provocative and try to escalate. Find a diplomatic solution instead of making bluffs and threats that they have no intentions of really carrying out. That is unnecessary madness that places humanity at risk.
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Good God, the only reason we have to make these threats is to keep Putin from killing Innocents. There is no way to negotiate in good faith until that stops. Russia can't stop at this point anyway, it has to exact it's pound of flesh to save face. He must take Kyiv in order to justify his war on "Nazism and fascists".
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
A week? Got a link to anyone saying a week?
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He sent three days worth of food with his soldiers. Either they were expecting to only need three days or they were absolutely incompetent.

Either way, it makes Putin and his pathetic excuse for an army look like dumbasses.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And Russia isn't using the shock and awe air campaign to lead things off before ground troops were moved in. They did the exact opposite of what the US would have done. Our philosophy is to minimize troop casualties at the expense of civilian casualties (collateral damage) because the leaders here know we can't stomach a high casualty count. In Russia, not so much.
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They did the opposite at first because Putin thought he would be welcomed and there would be little resistance. Come on man, talk about people falling for propoganda....
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Possibly. What is your point? You make it sound like a long standing regional conflict. Let's say you are correct. What does that have to do with the United States of America? What does that have to do with Main Street America?
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Nothing and we shouldn't be involved, neither should Russia. I feel sorry for the people who are dying. I loathe our interventionist strategies but they are irrelevant to the invasion of Ukraine
 
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Velo Vol said:
Show us the link of you or anyone else before-the-fact saying that it would take Russia weeks/months to capture Kyiv.
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hog88 said:
Ukraine will put up a good fight. If they can just hold Kiev for a month and kill 5000 to 10000 Russians Putin stands a good chance of being removed from within. Russia's conventional arms are not top of the line and I can't believe the Russian soldier has a great will to fight this war.
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Feb 15
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Possibly. What is your point? You make it sound like a long standing regional conflict. Let's say you are correct. What does that have to do with the United States of America? What does that have to do with Main Street America?
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Do me a favor, watch this video in full length:

Hopefully you can comprehend the parallels. However, I doubt it.
 
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KB5252 said:
Good God, the only reason we have to make these threats is to keep Putin from killing Innocents. There is no way to negotiate in good faith until that stops. Russia can't stop at this point anyway, it has to exact it's pound of flesh to save face. He must take Kyiv in order to justify his war on "Nazism and fascists".
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You (or most of you) don't care about the killing of innocents. Or I should say, you only care about the killing of certain people.
 
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