War in Ukraine

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Rasputin_Vol said:
And speaking of arming mercenaries in Syria. Look how that turned out. We sent all of those arms to Syria and the somehow ended up in the hands of ISIS.

Now look at what we are doing in Ukraine. Sending over all of these arms to Eastern Europe. Now how much if that is going to get to the Ukraine Army and how much is going to go to the black market? So now you are potentially flooding Eastern Europe with all of these weapons, including weapons that can take out airliners, and allowing them to flow from Eastern European markets to maybe terror cells in Western Europe or the Middle East.
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Didn't even make it to the Europeans...

400 Bulletproof Vests Destined For Ukraine Stolen In NYC: Officials | ZeroHedge
 
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One of Russia’s top paratroop commanders has been killed in Ukraine in the latest blow to President Vladimir Putin.

The death of Colonel Sergei Sukharev, of the 331st Guards Parachute Assault Regiment from Kostroma, was confirmed by state TV in Moscow
 
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Putin Likely to Make Nuclear Threats If War Drags, U.S. Says

President Vladimir Putin can be expected to brandish threats to use nuclear weapons against the West if stiff Ukrainian resistance to Russia’s invasion continues, draining conventional manpower and equipment, according to a new assessment by the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency.

“Protracted occupation of parts of Ukrainian territory threatens to sap Russian military manpower and reduce their modernized weapons arsenal, while consequent economic sanctions will probably throw Russia into prolonged economic depression and diplomatic isolation,” Lieutenant General Scott Berrier, director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said in its new 67-page summary of worldwide threats.

The combination of Ukraine’s defiance and economic sanctions will threaten Russia’s “ability to produce modern precision-guided munitions,” Berrier said in testimony submitted to the House Armed Services Committee for a hearing on Thursday.

“As this war and its consequences slowly weaken Russian conventional strength,” Berrier added, “Russia likely will increasingly rely on its nuclear deterrent to signal the West and project strength to its internal and external audiences.”
 
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volgr said:
Zelensky was elected because he promised to ease tensions with Russia and stop the fighting in east Ukraine. Neither of which happened, actually the opposite.
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An accurate quote of my post:
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I'm not sure they do in an autocratic state. But you don't extend that same appraisal to Ukrainians electing Zelensky and fighting Russia; why is that?
You mean the last 30 years since the Soviet Union fell. Do you share Putin's view that it was the catastrophe of the century?
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In addition to those two questions, reconcile how Ukraine is the one breaking Minsk II while Putin's separatists attack a nation he views as a nonexistent artifice of USSR dissolution - views as Russian territory NOW and in perpetuity - as he continues to chip chunks of it away, recognize their 'independence', as with Crimea and other former satellites?

According to you, Zelensky breaks the agreement by fighting insurgency, just as Putin supported Assad in doing.
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I saw a second hand tweet that said Russia had stopped issuing credit cards claiming it didn't have enough plastic.
 
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volgr said:
Zelensky was elected because he promised to ease tensions with Russia and stop the fighting in east Ukraine. Neither of which happened, actually the opposite.
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No he was elected because the last guy ran on western ideals then crawfished and cozied up to Putin. The people protested, the government cracked down on the protests and it got violent. They then wanted him out, ultimately voted Zelensky in.
 
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And @volgr
Intel - even in theater - is a mixture of knowledge, propaganda, and bias. Forces engaged directly in conflict misinterpret intel and/or are influencing by propaganda and bias to come to wrong conclusions. Even honest brokers get suckered. Outside the theater? Forget it. We see and read what we can and append to what we think we know from prior events.

Americans know little about Syria which is not a knock on us, because neither do the French, Germans, UK, S. Americans, etc just as Russians are getting a Putin-filtered view of the invasion. I read several articles early on and several years into the conflict that Assad had popular support, throughout, that the White Hats were engaged in the revolt, and the Free Army was compromised by Islamists against the secular Assad government and may have been responsible for chem attacks. Like his father, Assad has dealt ruthlessly with revolt and entirely reasonable he could used chems if pressed.

We don't know but I think we'd no business in Syria. It was an internal matter. If you think Assad was correct in putting down the revolt, you cannot fault Ukraine for fighting separatists in the east; Putin certainly supported it. This is at least the fourth time Russia has used the 'just protecting Russians' blueprint to seed & support separatists then invade to destabilize governments who find Westernization more appealing than zombie existence as a post-Soviet satellite being forced to remain in Russia's orbit.

I think your arguments go beyond objective criticism of the U.S. and into direct support of our enemies, none more than Russia. You literally choke to remotely criticize them, or to find this constitutional republic superior in any respect to Russia. That's warped guys. What is your ideological and national allegiance? Left or right-wing anarchos, quasi-Marxist, Euro-efette technocrat -? Because frankly you seem to stand for nothing and wispily dance with the truth, coyly posturing while committing to nothing except an American critique.
 
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Vol737 said:
You’re right, Putin is a champion of the people. I mean, nothing spells that out more than a newly announced “internal self cleansing” policy and past rigged elections.
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He is far more beloved by the Russian people than Biden is by the US people. What do you think he meant by an internal self cleansing policy? I guarantee you the average Russian citizen supports it.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I see where you are coming from, but our current admin has asked for content to be removed and does make a list to give social media that they would like removed.
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To be objective, there's a gulf of distinction between Biden jailing DeSantis and Democrats coaxing media to censor his statements because they cannot do that in our republic and signals a clearly superior nation, right @Rasputin_Vol ?
 
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volgr said:
He is far more beloved by the Russian people than Biden is by the US people. What do you think he meant by an internal self cleansing policy? I guarantee you the average Russian citizen supports it.
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Clown statement of the year, I am sure they love having their family members disappear and opposition oppressed
 
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Septic said:
He literally jailed his most popular opponent. I'm starting to think you're a troll, no one debates a topic who is this grossly uninformed.
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You think Navalny was going to beat Putin in an election? You follow Russian politics that closely? You have studied the case in question and know it to be political prosecution? No, you don't know those things. You just regurgitate rhetoric.
 
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volgr said:
He is far more beloved by the Russian people than Biden is by the US people. What do you think he meant by an internal self cleansing policy? I guarantee you the average Russian citizen supports it.
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Complete and total BS!!!!
 
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Putin to lose key ally as head of Russian bank turns her back on him for tanking economy

One of Vladimir Putin’s top officials and head of the Russian Central Bank, Elvira Nabiullina, has handed in her resignation twice over the leader plunging economy into a “sewer”

Vladimir Putin has seen one of his top officials look to turn their back on him as the head of a Russian bank has tried to resign — twice.

Elvira Nabiullina, who is a highly-respected Yale-educated economist, looks set to leave her post as head of the Russian Central Bank.
Ms Nabiullina, 58, claims she stood up to the Russian president after he sent his troops into Ukraine last month.
According to sources, she has twice tried to hand in her resignation to Putin but the leader has refused to accept it.
Reports have emerged of Ms Nabiullina telling Putin that his invasion of Ukraine has plunged the Russian economy into a “sewer”.
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Yale economist? Yeah, I'm sure her and Putin were good buddies.
 
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volgr said:
Zelensky was elected because he promised to ease tensions with Russia and stop the fighting in east Ukraine. Neither of which happened, actually the opposite.
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And now his fortitude of character is giving them hope of real independence.

A group of townspeople and some soldiers just creamed an entire Russian battalion.

A Ukrainian Town Deals Russia One of the War’s Most Decisive Routs - WSJ

“Everyone is united against the common enemy,” said Voznesensk’s 32-year-old mayor, Yevheni Velichko, a former real-estate developer turned wartime commander, who, like other local officials, moves around with a gun. “We are defending our own land. We are at home.”
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Your implications that they are fighting because the U.S. wants them to and it's all the U.S.'s fault is about the dumbest possible take in this thread.
 
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