War in Ukraine

[Septic]

You think Navalny was going to beat Putin in an election? You follow Russian politics that closely? You have studied the case in question and know it to be political prosecution? No, you don't know those things. You just regurgitate rhetoric.

I don't know what he's capable of beating, but I do know that he can't beat anyone while he's behind bars because Putin put him there.

Tell us more about the free and fair democracy that Russia has become.

You're making a fool of yourself.

 

[NCFisher]

Julian Assange

...is analogous to poisoning and imprisoning a political candidate? And numerous other dissidents, opponents, journos including Kara-Murza, Litvinenko, the Skirpals, Verzilov? Critics of Putin find themselves irradiated, poisoned, or a bullet to their head with uncommon regularity.

Keep wallowing in filth making outlandish correlations and you become corrupt.

 

[NCFisher]

It didn't seem like it leading up to it. Even Zelensky was trying to calm down the Biden administration with their nonsense. Also, there were other things going on behind the scenes that I was unaware of.

Zelensky was trying to keep the country fiscally afloat, and likely felt a coming invasion after the CCP Olympics. A good defense strategy is better when you bring it to Level 1 preparedness as Ukraine did.

 

[volgr]

And @volgr
I think your arguments go beyond objective criticism of the U.S. and into direct support of our enemies, none more than Russia. You literally choke to remotely criticize them, or to find this constitutional republic superior in any respect to Russia. That's warped guys. What is your ideological and national allegiance? Left or right-wing anarchos, quasi-Marxist, Euro-efette technocrat -? Because frankly you seem to stand for nothing and wispily dance with the truth, coyly posture while committing to nothing except an American critique.

I haven't discussed Syria, so the first part of your post regarding Syria isn't relevant to me. The US isn't involved in a war with Russia currently, so your statement that I support our enemy is incorrect. I have stated, I care not if Putin loses in Ukraine and goes home with his tail between his legs. I have no dog in their fight. However, I'm not going to go along with this charade of pushing untrue and distorted views of Russia and Ukraine that are pushed by our gov't and media (neither of which have proven themselves to be trusted). Nor do I trust what comes out of Russian media and the Russian government for the same reasons. Would I like to see Russia pull itself from the ashes and become a more free, democratic and prosperous Nation for the good of it's people? Sure. Are they there yet? No. Have they progressed to that goal under Putin? Yes. Could someone else do it better? Very likely.

I critique America because my ancestry dates back before the founding and I have 3 kids who will inherit whatever we are leaving them. My allegiance is with America, but America seems to have hopelessly lost her way. We are America in name only as our Nation no longer conducts itself based on American ideals.

 

[volgr]

Your implications that they are fighting because the U.S. wants them to and it's all the U.S.'s fault is about the dumbest possible take in this thread.

I've been clear that they are a split Country. Many of them will fight to their last breath not to be Russian, but there are many who either want to be independent or at worst Russian. They do not see themselves as Ukrainian.

 

[NCFisher]

Poisoned and imprisoned by the US government? Ran for President of the US? I understand that you try to make weird false equivalences to defend the Russian government for some strange reason but that is a stretch even for you

Every straw is an oak to the dishonest.

 

[IluvdoubleD's]

‘I felt paralysed by fear’: woman describes escape from Ukraine

 

[KB5252]

This tweet is ridiculous. The Russians just sent about 30 missiles that hit with pinpoint accuracy to Yavoriv this past weekend where they hit a NATO training facility.

And some more in Lviv today. Maybe he's talking aggregate though, I don't know. But if that's the case Putin may fear what may possibly come next, he's holding back in anticipation for other incursions into neighboring countries, or they just don't have the arsenal we believed they did.

 

[volgr]

I don't know what he's capable of beating, but I do know that he can't beat anyone while he's behind bars because Putin put him there.

Tell us more about the free and fair democracy that Russia has become.

You're making a fool of yourself.

Yeah, you don't know. You don't know a damn thing about what you are talking about. Making wild claims with nothing to back them up. Please, elaborate on Navalny's case. Share the information you have that the Russian gov't or Courts do not have. Share your evidence that their last election was not a free and fair election. Share your polling expertise in Russia and evidence that the polling there is fake.

You're answer, "I don't have any, but my gov't and media say it is so, so it must be so. They have never misled or lied to me in the past."

 

[KB5252]

Let's go with that.

If we truly believe that Putin wants to plunge the world into darkness, would it be better to continue down the road we are on and act more belligerent and with a hardline? Or do we change our approach and try to be more diplomatic?

Wait a minute, more diplomatic? You mean just giving him what he wants.... Just say it, because that's what diplomacy with a person waging war on neighbors would mean.

 

[volgr]

Clown statement of the year, I am sure they love having their family members disappear and opposition oppressed

Ahh, so you don't know what he meant...but these are easily played on tropes by western media, so lets use that.

 

[volgr]

Wait a minute, more diplomatic? You mean just giving him what he wants.... Just say it, because that's what diplomacy with a person waging war on neighbors would mean.

His demands aren't unreasonable and definitely not worth more bloodshed than has already occurred.

 

[Septic]

Yeah, you don't know. You don't know a damn thing about what you are talking about. Making wild claims with nothing to back them up. Please, elaborate on Navalny's case. Share the information you have that the Russian gov't or Courts do not have. Share your evidence that their last election was not a free and fair election. Share your polling expertise in Russia and evidence that the polling there is fake.

You're answer, "I don't have any, but my gov't and media say it is so, so it must be so. They have never misled or lied to me in the past."

Just when I thought you'd stop wanting to look like a complete fool, you tear your shirt off and flex your ignorance for everyone to see.

Not even Russians themselves are this naive.

Take a lap kid, your takes on this are too dumb to continue to respond to.

 

[KB5252]

He is far more beloved by the Russian people than Biden is by the US people. What do you think he meant by an internal self cleansing policy? I guarantee you the average Russian citizen supports it.

I think many in Russia are afraid to publicly and openly tell you how they feel about Putin or their government in Russia. In safe places I'd wager many, maybe half, would voice displeasure with Putin.

Again that's just my suspicion and it's impossible to know. With having said that I agree he's probably got me support than Biden but that is an extremely low bar.

 

[hog88]

I've been clear that they are a split Country. Many of them will fight to their last breath not to be Russian, but there are many who either want to be independent or at worst Russian. They do not see themselves as Ukrainian.

The results of the invasion are saying otherwise.

 

[Septic]

His demands aren't unreasonable and definitely not worth more bloodshed than has already occurred.

How adorable of you to decide what Ukrainians should give up in order to not be attacked without provocation.

 

[volgr]

Just when I thought you'd stop wanting to look like a complete fool, you tear your shirt off and flex your ignorance for everyone to see.

Not even Russians themselves are this naive.

Take a lap kid, your takes on this are too dumb to continue to respond to.

So you don't have any evidence whatsoever to back up your wild claims? Just more insults. Typical.

 

[KB5252]

His demands aren't unreasonable and definitely not worth more bloodshed than has already occurred.

Install a puppet that doesn't represent the people's wishes...... Sounds perfectly reasonable. Demilitarization is reasonable so long as Russia respects the sovereignty of it's neighbors. Unfortunately it doesn't/hasn't, so what you claim to be reasonable is a non starter.

 

[volgr]

How adorable of you to decide what Ukrainians should give up in order to not be attacked without provocation.

Without provocation...there is always that nugget of deception with you. Nice try. I don't give a damn what Ukraine does, but their midget actor doesn't need to come crying to the World when Russia does what it does after repeated attempts at diplomacy. Without this turning into a much larger conflict where NATO gets involved militarily...Ukraine will lose this fight.

 

[volgr]

Install a puppet that doesn't represent the people's wishes...... Sounds perfectly reasonable. Demilitarization is reasonable so long as Russia respects the sovereignty of it's neighbors. Unfortunately it doesn't/hasn't, so what you claim to be reasonable is a non starter.

I think ultimately Putin would come off the regime change idea he floated a month ago. He may have already come off it.

 

[KB5252]

You think Navalny was going to beat Putin in an election? You follow Russian politics that closely? You have studied the case in question and know it to be political prosecution? No, you don't know those things. You just regurgitate rhetoric.

If he wasn't a threat to challenge Putin why the need to poison and imprison him? Or is it simply that he dared to challenge Putin?

 

[KB5252]

I think ultimately Putin would come off the regime change idea he floated a month ago. He may have already come off it.

What you think doesn't matter, demilitarization after invasion would be perhaps the most idiotic thing any leader representing his people could do.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

And @volgr
Intel - even in theater - is a mixture of knowledge, propaganda, and bias. Forces engaged directly in conflict misinterpret intel and/or are influencing by propaganda and bias to come to wrong conclusions. Even honest brokers get suckered. Outside the theater? Forget it. We see and read what we can and append to what we think we know from prior events.

Americans know little about Syria which is not a knock on us, because neither do the French, Germans, UK, S. Americans, etc just as Russians are getting a Putin-filtered view of the invasion. I read several articles early on and several years into the conflict that Assad had popular support, throughout, that the White Hats were engaged in the revolt, and the Free Army was compromised by Islamists against the secular Assad government and may have been responsible for chem attacks. Like his father, Assad has dealt ruthlessly with revolt and entirely reasonable he could used chems if pressed.

We don't know but I think we'd no business in Syria. It was an internal matter. If you think Assad was correct in putting down the revolt, you cannot fault Ukraine for fighting separatists in the east; Putin certainly supported it. This is at least the fourth time Russia has used the 'just protecting Russians' blueprint to seed & support separatists then invade to destabilize governments who find Westernization more appealing than zombie existence as a post-Soviet satellite being forced to remain in Russia's orbit.

I think your arguments go beyond objective criticism of the U.S. and into direct support of our enemies, none more than Russia. You literally choke to remotely criticize them, or to find this constitutional republic superior in any respect to Russia. That's warped guys. What is your ideological and national allegiance? Left or right-wing anarchos, quasi-Marxist, Euro-efette technocrat -? Because frankly you seem to stand for nothing and wispily dance with the truth, coyly posture while committing to nothing except an American critique.

You still don't get it. The United States inserted themselves in both situations to initiate the conflicts in both Syria and Ukraine. The Russians, in both instances were called in to respond. Further, the United States has done nothing but take hardliners in both incidents when it comes to bringing down tensions. And lastly, in both situations, the United States flooded the area with weapons and support and allowed the conflicts to fester on for far longer than necessary.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You don't support fighting an international terrorist organization and helping out one of our only real allies in the ME? It isn't the same as nation building

We armed those alleged international terrorists, genius.

 

[Septic]

So you don't have any evidence whatsoever to back up your wild claims? Just more insults. Typical.

Navalny being poisoned and imprisoned by Putin is a "wild claim?"

LOL, it's this that makes me disinterested in convincing you that the sky is blue or that water is wet. Instead, I'll just mock you and your pootin nut hugging beliefs.