War in Ukraine

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volgr said:
Because I dont care either way. Whether they win or lose, doesnt matter to me. Its a regional conflict with little bearing on the US. I just pushback against the ridiculous anti-Russian narrative most on this board are pushing because much of it is either untrue or lacking proper context.
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I'm assuming you do care whether the number of innocent people slaughtered is one thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand, or a million.
And that's all on Putin and Russia.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I see no problem with the property owning part. In general I see no problem in limiting who can vote. I can make arguments on either side on the women's right to vote. Not much to argue on the race part.

I tend to allow nuance in my opinion. The extent of your thought is "I see one thing I disagree with therefore all is wrong and should be tossed", "lol", and "wrong". You're not a bright woman.
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Well at least you gave it that. Yikes.
 
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volgr said:
They continue to cauldron the Donbass. Azov is begging Kiev for help but none is coming. Kiev continues to be slowly encircled and cut-off. How is Russia not in control? Get out of your echo chamber.
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lol.....
The only thing they control is how many of their own boys they are willing to sacrifice, how many innocent people they are willing to slaughter, and the level of financial ruin they are willing to inflict on their own people.
Other than that......pretty much zilch.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Well at least you gave it that. Yikes.
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Gave what? Saying that I can make arguments on different sides? The easy arguments right out of the gate are the suffragette and prohibition movements were almost always hand-in-hand, and the war on drugs has been backed massively by wealthy white female voters. Those are horrific examples of government mandating morality.

Women's groups also did things like advocating for the total ban of coffee around the time of prohibition as well. That's ridiculous.
 
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tvolsfan said:
This is the guy accusing others of having a "trailer park" mentality.

He also said I'm not a "bright woman." I genuinely don't know if he think's I'm a woman or if he just considers that an insult.
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Or a third option, autocorrect strikes again. But you're operating on the same "grr grr war war" brainwave of an ape or a Neanderthal, so the limit of two options is not shocking.
 
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luthervol said:
lol.....
The only thing they control is how many of their own boys they are willing to sacrifice, how many innocent people they are willing to slaughter, and the level of financial ruin they are willing to inflict on their own people.
Other than that......pretty much zilch.
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You are just confirming you have no clue what is going on over there. I give you reasons why Russia is in control of the conflict and you come back with emotion inducing non-sense.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Gave what? Saying that I can make arguments on different sides? The easy arguments right out of the gate are the suffragette and prohibition movements were almost always hand-in-hand, and the war on drugs has been backed massively by wealthy white female voters. Those are horrific examples of government mandating morality.

Women's groups also did things like advocating for the total ban of coffee around the time of prohibition as well. That's ridiculous.
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Just thought it was important to save this.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm assuming you do care whether the number of innocent people slaughtered is one thousand, ten thousand, a hundred thousand, or a million.
And that's all on Putin and Russia.
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I care in the sense I would rather it not happen but I dont care in the sense I would put my life on the line to stop it. It's on Putin and NATO both.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Gave what? Saying that I can make arguments on different sides? The easy arguments right out of the gate are the suffragette and prohibition movements were almost always hand-in-hand, and the war on drugs has been backed massively by wealthy white female voters. Those are horrific examples of government mandating morality.

Women's groups also did things like advocating for the total ban of coffee around the time of prohibition as well. That's ridiculous.
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I'm sure you are good to vote in this world you support, while "others' are not.
 
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volgr said:
You are just confirming you have no clue what is going on over there. I give you reasons why Russia is in control of the conflict and you come back with emotion inducing non-sense.
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I admitted up front they can bomb Ukraine into oblivion.
My point is........... THAT IS IN NO WAY CONTROLL.

That's like thinking that a bully beating the crap out of a nerd makes the bully in control.
The reality is that the bully has actually lost control.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
I'm sure you are good to vote in this world you support, while "others' are not.
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I said I could give arguments either way, and I did. Did I say I didn't think women should be able to vote? No. Did I give examples of two inarguably harmful movements right off the top of my head directly linked with women's movements? Yes.

I think people that have directly bought in to the country should be able to vote. They'll be more incentivized to preserve or create a prosperous land if they're invested in it. The ideas on the path to prosperity will be a point of argument, but the argument is good. I don't think people that see a different path should be barred from voting, nor have I said or implied as much.

The reason so many of you are impossible to explain things to is that you choose to make wrong assumptions and have no interest in anything but being contrarian for entertainment alone. You've got no interest in anything but yourself.

PS: much of the fall of the Roman Republic into a dictatorial empire was because of the expansion of voting rights and the continual use of the grain dole as a way to buy votes. No different than today. I suppose if your goal is to destroy the country you see no issue with it, but no matter how you slice it America has brought justice and prosperity to more people, and a more diverse people at that, than any other country in history.
 
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ButchPlz said:
I said I could give arguments either way, and I did. Did I say I didn't think women should be able to vote? No. Did I give examples of two inarguably harmful movements right off the top of my head directly linked with women's movements? Yes.

I think people that have directly bought in to the country should be able to vote. They'll be more incentivized to preserve or create a prosperous land if they're invested in it. The ideas on the path to prosperity will be a point of argument, but the argument is good. I don't think people that see a different path should be barred from voting, nor have I said or implied as much.

The reason so many of you are impossible to explain things to is that you choose to make wrong assumptions and have no interest in anything but being contrarian for entertainment alone. You've got no interest in anything but yourself.
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You just said in this post that only land owners should have a say. We aren't impossible to deal with. I can't help that you are an *******, that is on you.
 
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luthervol said:
I admitted up front they can bomb Ukraine into oblivion.
My point is........... THAT IS IN NO WAY CONTROLL.

That's like thinking that a bully beating the crap out of a nerd makes the bully in control.
The reality is that the bully has actually lost control.
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What you want to happen and what is actually happening are two different things, which is why you are having such a hard time explaining it and coming to terms with it. Russia is in conplete control, its ok to say it, the truth is freeing.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
You just said in this post that only land owners should have a say. We aren't impossible to deal with. I can't help that you are an *******, that is on you.
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Yes, people that are bought in to the country. As in, they own land. And have the incentive (being the value of their land or the preservation of it for a home) to make things around them prosperous. I'm fairly certain women can own land in the United States, yes? Not all of us think women, homosexuals, and minorities are weak and incapable like you openly promote on this board.

You didn't respond to anything else in the post other than calling me whatever a ******* is, so I'm guessing, like always, you've been outclassed and exposed. I imagine in real life you really suck to be around. I mean, you did openly say you hated me when I had no interactions with you, or did you forget that?
 
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My sense that the sanctions would hurt the West more than Russia continues to look likely, especially in the long run.

Our leaders are completely incompetent. GOP and DNC alike, doesnt matter. Just complete buffoons.
 
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volgr said:
My sense that the sanctions would hurt the West more than Russia continues to look likely, especially in the long run.

Our leaders are completely incompetent. GOP and DNC alike, doesnt matter. Just complete buffoons.
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It's not your sense, it's exactly what's happening.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Yes, people that are bought in to the country. As in, they own land. And have the incentive (being the value of their land or the preservation of it for a home) to make things around them prosperous. I'm fairly certain women can own land in the United States, yes? Not all of us think women, homosexuals, and minorities are weak and incapable like you openly promote on this board.

You didn't respond to anything else in the post other than calling me whatever a ******* is, so I'm guessing, like always, you've been outclassed and exposed. I imagine in real life you really suck to be around. I mean, you did openly say you hated me when I had no interactions with you, or did you forget that?
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Yeah, I never once said women, homosexuals, and minorities are weak. Keep your projection in your own pocket.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Yeah, I never once said women, homosexuals, and minorities are weak. Keep your projection in your own pocket.
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Do we as a collective need to be undertaking political efforts such as affirmative action to lift these groups into positions of power?

Also, please address the post I made prior and the rest of the one you responded to.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Do we as a collective need to be undertaking political efforts such as affirmative action to lift these groups into positions of power?

Also, please address the post I made prior and the rest of the one you responded to.
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I apologize that I offended you. It isn't a hate thing.
 
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