War in Ukraine

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Be interesting to see if this turns out to be more threat than anything else, but if Russia actually does it, it will be interesting to see how it shakes out.

 
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I don't vouch for this as truth. Probably it isn't but if, hmm...
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I am wanted dead or alive
I'm wanted everywhere
I've got to survive

They say I am a violent man
Only trying to do the best I can
Dig it?

I am wanted dead or alive
Fifteen states I've got to survive
I am wanted dead or alive
I'm a new kind of man
I've got to survive
Running a long way

I am wanted dead or alive
I'm wanted everywhere
I've got to survive

Now all I'm trying to do
Is find a peaceful place
But they say I have an outlaw face
 
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DonjoVol said:
I underestimated how much influence the neocon wing of the party still has on many Americans.
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Or.... and try to stay with me here.

Or, that Putin is such a huge piece of sh*t that for rational people with a shred of moral decency, it's an easy call to call a spade a spade.
 
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AM64 said:
You think the inverse is any different. At least conservatives do understand real science, are generally more intelligent, and more competent in ways that matter.
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On the whole, I think most conservatives and liberals are dunces. And if you think political affiliation is, in any way, a determining factor of intelligence, I'd lump you in the same category.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You guys love Bush, John Bolton, Mitt Romney and loved John McCain. And you guys go and elect Joe Biden to top it off. Who is just as much as a neocon as those guys.
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Bush is a borderline war criminal and set back American’s personal freedom and privacy to an unprecedented level. Bolton is nothing but a war hawk. Romney acts like he has a conscience, but falls right in line when he’s supposed to, he’s Charmin soft. McCain garnered some respect (deservedly so) but made more policy mistakes than progress. Biden is another useless career politician.

Be sure to check back in, though. Someday I might let you dictate my opinions to me… you can keep trying anyway.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You guys love Bush, John Bolton, Mitt Romney and loved John McCain. And you guys go and elect Joe Biden to top it off. Who is just as much as a neocon as those guys.
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They love Bush, Romney, McCain because they had almost destroyed the GOP before Trump came along and saved it.
 
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I'd think the Belarus people don't like neither their dictator nor the Russos. Especially after the recent Russian assisted violent crackdown on their protests. I wouldn't be surprised if Belarus troops on being sent to Ukraine, desert and join the Ukraine in their fight against the Ruskies. That would be an interesting scenario if it happens.
 
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luthervol said:
lol.....Certainly not dumb enough to blame Biden for Ukraine.
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Biden is neck deep in our foreign policy missteps in the Ukraine; he was Obama's point man in Ukraine for crying out loud. Nothing says we're meddling in Ukrainian affairs louder than bragging about withholding aid unless a corruption investigator is removed. Right before the invasion, he made stupid comments that may have been interpreted as giving Putin the green light. He's not solely responsible, but completely absolving him of any blame is idiotic.
 
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red butler said:
Another interesting take

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I am not buying all he is selling and he is a resolute anti-Trumper. He represents the slightly progressive, deep statist DC professional class view of those who still consider the intelligence services the good guys (like we used to) but with saying that, they also are generally still patriots and see America as the shining light in a very dark world.

Even so, he has some very interesting takes, and its worth listening to the whole thing. Generally, Stratfor guys are as close to hearing from a CIA analyst as you will get in the open.

I also encourage perusing his site Life After Trump, Part IV: Building a Better Democrat…Maybe - Zeihan on Geopolitics. I love that in his analysis, he takes a very macro view based on population growth, economic factors, etc - that are likely to be far more influencing of the future than whatever dustup is making the loudest noise today.

Agree or disagree, his arguments will make you think.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are not looking at the fact that the Russians had protested NATO expansion since 1991 and the west had made assurances to them that they were not going to expand east. Then, in 1999, you had the first expansion of NATO that broke that promise with the Visegrad group countries. Then later the Baltics and Poland.

At the time of this interview, Georgia was being led by a snake and western puppet named Mikhail Saakashvili. This guy was planted into Georgia for the purpose of bringing that country into the fold next. By this time, this is When Putin expressed his concerns for the last time before acting on it in 2008. Then in 2013, the US State Department set their eyes on Ukraine. At the time of that interview, Ukraine wasn't a target for Russia, but it was clearly a target for the US.

Nothing Putin said in that interview was duplicitous or erroneous. At the time, he was more focused on Georgia and likely felt that if he made his move in Georgia that the US and NATO would back off. Obviously, that wasn't the case.

And interesting thing about that snake Saakashvili, after he left Georgia, he ended up somehow working in the Ukrainian govt for a while. The guy is an American asset and a troublemaker.

Lastly, the Nazis in Ukraine have been there for over 80 years... they just didn't show up in 2014. But the US did start funding them in an effort to be a subversive force in Ukraine.
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Lunacy at its finest, are you Russian?
 
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red butler said:
Biden is neck deep in our foreign policy missteps in the Ukraine; he was Obama's point man in Ukraine for crying out loud. Nothing says we're meddling in Ukrainian affairs louder than bragging about withholding aid unless a corruption investigator is removed. Right before the invasion, he made stupid comments that may have been interpreted as giving Putin the green light. He's not solely responsible, but completely absolving him of any blame is idiotic.
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By your logic, is everyone that withheld military aid from Ukraine equally as responsible?
 
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Gandalf said:
I am not buying all he is selling and he is a resolute anti-Trumper. He represents the slightly progressive, deep statist DC professional class view of those who still consider the intelligence services the good guys (like we used to) but with saying that, they also are generally still patriots and see America as the shining light in a very dark world.

Even so, he has some very interesting takes, and its worth listening to the whole thing. Generally, Stratfor guys are as close to hearing from a CIA analyst as you will get in the open.

I also encourage perusing his site Life After Trump, Part IV: Building a Better Democrat…Maybe - Zeihan on Geopolitics. I love that in his analysis, he takes a very macro view based on population growth, economic factors, etc - that are likely to be far more influencing of the future than whatever dustup is making the loudest noise today.

Agree or disagree, his arguments will make you think.
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Thanks for the background. He did seem to ignore any meddling we've done in these countries, now it makes sense. I've seen most of his videos on youtube, but I didn't know he had a website.
 
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volgr said:
Just keep posting your Ukraine propaganda that no one pays attention to.
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red butler said:
Thanks for the background. He did seem to ignore any meddling we've done in these countries, now it makes sense. I've seen most of his videos on youtube, but I didn't know he had a website.
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Both countries meddled but only one invaded under the guise of faux righteousness, it isn’t difficult to understand
 
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Septic said:
Or.... and try to stay with me here.

Or, that Putin is such a huge piece of sh*t that for rational people with a shred of moral decency, it's an easy call to call a spade a spade.
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I dont think anyone, even Ras here, is making the argument that Putin is a good person or even has good intentions. If there is any virtue in his actions it is simply that he has been fighting other evil forces (aka globalists that run Western institutions and governments) that are better at cloaking themselves or portraying themselves as "the good". Putin hasn't done this for any munificent reasons but rather for his own interests. Even so, he represents an obstacle to the globalist's hegemonic power. Yet because he chose to fight a hot war while the globalists wage a cold one from the shadows, it is easier to cheer his downfall because we can more readily see the suffering that his decisions have caused.
 
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