War in Ukraine

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allvol123 said:
That has been the thought for decades, that these weapons are of no concern because no sane person would dare use them.

I think that is being re-examined now. In a country run by an authoritarian dictator with no checks and balances, then what happens when said authoritarian dictator goes insane.

I no longer believe they fit in the category they have been sitting for the past few decades.
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It's always bee the case since we built the first A-bomb and their have been several madmen with their fingers on the button.
 
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hog88 said:
It's always bee the case since we built the first A-bomb and their have been several madmen with their fingers on the button.
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I hope you are right hog but I find it hard to believe that someone in the near future won’t use them again. I just hope and pray it isn’t in my children’s lifetime
 
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NCFisher said:
So MSN and Niall Bradley - who uses Russian sources- are what you term 'curated source'. He'll use Western sources when agreeing, but damns Western propaganda when it doesn't, just as you blanket vilify it so you can cherry pick.

For instance, he carelessly throws around '1 million Iraqi dead' just as 'you guys' do. That is the upper end of lunatic estimates but it's sure good propaganda. Tweets a video of a lone guy hitting three alleged Roma women with something that looks like a sausage and extrapolates that to "This is how Romas are treated in Zelensky's Ukraine". He advances the Ukraine=Nazi agitprop.

No wonder you don't like to show your carefully curated sources. Propaganda is a fact of everyday life and war. When you stop questioning and indulge your bias - or purposely advance agenda - you're the propaganda.

MOSCOW'S NAZI PROBLEM
In fact, there's been a steady and seemingly growing affection for Putin's Russia by white supremacy, Aryan types for some time. I noted in another post how Stormfront is behind Putin and it'd be near unanimous were "white people on both sides" not involved. Whether D. Duke or R. Spencer, J. Taylor of American Renaissance or M. Heimbach of Uniite the Right and Traditionalist Workers Party, white nationalists globally love them some Putin. RIM - the Russian Imperialist Movement - was founded in 2008 as an ultranationalist paramilitary org the U.S. and Canada consider white supremacist terrorist orgs because some of their associates actually blow shite up and kill people. Though some of its publications are banned in Russia, it operates two compounds and is based in St. Petersburg, has been fighting in Donbas since 2014, and provides military training and has outreach to ultranationalist groups - including Atomwaffen and it's Russian chapter - internationally. White ideology groups. And they do Reichy, Hitlerian symbolism.
Confronting Russia’s Role in Transnational White Supremacist Extremism
Russian Imperial Movement - Wikipedia
Intervju med en russisk nasjonalist

In fact and practicality, every claim you Putin "squirters" have made about Azov specifically, and Ukraine government generally, can be made about RIM, similar Russian groups, and the Russian government itself.

But then, a well-researched guy like yourself and @Rasputin_Vol and @DonjoVol @red butler @BigOrangeTrain knows these things, right? You must because it's only saps like us Western news consumers that only see one side.

Go 'curate' your mirror.
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Since you like doing research and mentioning Richard Spencer maybe you should go take a look at his Twitter page. Twitter hasn't banned him but they will ban Trump. Strange huh? He's all aboard the EU/Ukraine train and supports the democrats man Joe Biden now.
 
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allvol123 said:
Not with an arsenal of this size with a man acting in this manner. Certainly not in the past 40 years.
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I don't believe Putin is a madman, he's more concerned about his own power and wealth and I don't believe suicide is on his mind. I think he completely overestimated his militarys capability and underestimated the corruption and incompetence within it and is now backed into a corner looking for a way out but I don't think he'll resort to using nuclear weapons. The man loves himself above everything else so I don't think he'll take an action that will ensure his destruction.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I hope you are right hog but I find it hard to believe that someone in the near future won’t use them again. I just hope and pray it isn’t in my children’s lifetime
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I'm with you, someone will use a nuclear weapon at some point but I think it will come from a radical religious state.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't believe Putin is a madman, he's more concerned about his own power and wealth and I don't believe suicide is on his mind. I think he completely overestimated his militarys capability and underestimated the corruption and incompetence within it and is now backed into a corner looking for a way out but I don't think he'll resort to using nuclear weapons. The man loves himself above everything else so I don't think he'll take an action that will ensure his destruction.
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I tend to agree with you and hope you’re right.

It does concern me how badly this could go for him and what that can do to a man in his position. Paranoia can be a son of a bitch.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
But why do we have to give more than anyone else?
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It's not that we have to. It's that we can and we choose to.
One of the greatest things about America and why it was (is) so respected around the globe.
A policy of "we will do the right thing for the sake of humanity everywhere" is a policy I like.
 
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landscapingvol said:
We were much closer in the Cold War. It just wasn’t widely known till much later
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During the Cuban missile crisis Russian submarine commanders were given the authority to use nuclear tipped torpedoes against US Navy ships. One was actually in the tube with a firing solution but thankfully the Captain thought better of it.

If you haven't read it, pick up October Fury by Peter Huchthausen. It's scary how close we came.
 
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hog88 said:
During the Cuban missile crisis Russian submarine commanders were given the authority to use nuclear tipped torpedoes against US Navy ships. One was actually in the tube with a firing solution but thankfully the Captain thought better of it.

If you haven't read it, pick up October Fury by Peter Huchthausen. It's scary how close we came.
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Also very close during the 80's when a radar operator in Russia mistook a blip for an incoming US nuclear missile
 
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luthervol said:
It's not that we have to. It's that we can and we choose to.
One of the greatest things about America and why it was (is) so respected around the globe.
A policy of "we will do the right thing for the sake of humanity everywhere" is a policy I like.
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You need more international friends , we are NOT respected around the world . We have a huge stick and other countries either fear it or use it when it’s convenient.. and then go back to telling us how much we suck .
 
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0nelilreb said:
You need more international friends , we are NOT respected around the world . We have a huge stick and other countries either fear it or use it when it’s convenient.. and then go back to telling us how much we suck .
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Correct, I have no issues supplying Ukraine to a point. We don't need to get bogged down in a decade long war wasting billions of dollars but I don't have a problem with a finite mission and an endgame. We do however waste billions of dollars in nations around the World that wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire. I very much believe that needs to end. Ukraine isn't blameless in this and needs to get their crap together for future aid payments if it were up to me and we do need to soften our stance towards Russia with certain guarantees from them and China.
 
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volgr said:
So you believe Putin? I thought you didn't believe Putin? Which is it?

Mauripol wasn't destroyed overnight. Russia gave them a chance at surrender. Citizens knew and most fled. Some stayed to fight and others were held against their will by Ukrainian forces as human shields. Ukrainian forces, as usual, made use of civilian areas to stage their defense. So Russia can either go around Mauripol or root out Ukrainian forces and take the city.

You use the term genocide as if you were a child. If genocide is what they wanted, they could do that. An overnight barrage of bombing, with no warning, would have done it. However, that isn't what happened is it? Be honest for God's sake. If you say you think it wasn't worth it for Russia to take Mauripol and instead go around it, then that is a fair assessment. But to talk of genocide and acting as if Russia wanted to destroy the city, is just childish and juvenile and not representative of actual evidence of events.
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It's a city, where there is cover. All of it's civilian. You claim others to be low IQ then give us this "brilliant" explanation!
 
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DonjoVol said:
What are the sources in response to?

There is an independent journalist named Patrick Lancaster on YouTube. He was last reporting in Mariupol but he is on the ground. I think his subscriber count has more than doubled the past few weeks as well. I haven't been to his page in a few days but do appreciate the more independent reporting. He's not hard to find.
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I simply asked where he was getting his info. I'll look this guy up later when I get home.

I actually like listening to different perspectives and attempt to give the benefit of the doubt.
 
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luthervol said:
It's not that we have to. It's that we can and we choose to.
One of the greatest things about America and why it was (is) so respected around the globe.
A policy of "we will do the right thing for the sake of humanity everywhere" is a policy I like.
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I didn’t know you were a veteran.
 
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0nelilreb said:
You need more international friends , we are NOT respected around the world . We have a huge stick and other countries either fear it or use it when it’s convenient.. and then go back to telling us how much we suck .
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Sure we are. Less so than in the past, but maybe that trend is being reversed.
Most people are able to recognize goodness and decency and respect it when they see it.

But you are correct, there are those around the world, and probably a higher percentage in our country than anywhere else, whose only view is through the prism of "what are you doing for me".
 
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DonjoVol said:
Since you like doing research and mentioning Richard Spencer maybe you should go take a look at his Twitter page. Twitter hasn't banned him but they will ban Trump. Strange huh? He's all aboard the EU/Ukraine train and supports the democrats man Joe Biden now.
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I'm curious, I keep seeing you and volgr bring up Trump. What does he have to do with this situation, why is he relevant?
 
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