War in Ukraine

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allvol123 said:
You like moving goalposts? We look at all of American history but then want examples from Russia only under Putin.
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That is correct. Putin and most every other Russian is aware of the horrors of what communism had done to Russia over 70+ years. That is precisely the reason why I cut Putin slack. If we were talking about Yeltsin or any of the others outside of Gorby before him, then I would be in 100% agreement that they are a danger to humanity.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is correct. Putin and most every other Russian is aware of the horrors of what communism had done to Russia over 70+ years. That is precisely the reason why I cut Putin slack. If we were talking about Yeltsin or any of the others outside of Gorby before him, then I would be in 100% agreement that they are a danger to humanity.
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How much land has the US attempted to annex since Putin first became president?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Have you seen any evidence where Crimeans are clamoring to escape? And Berlin Wall or USSR era political asylums?
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LOL, they know better than to speak out. People somewhat protected by being high profile get poisoned, wonder what Putin would do to them?
 
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KB5252 said:
LOL, they know better than to speak out. People somewhat protected by being high profile get poisoned, wonder what Putin would do to them?
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So you are trying to convince me that Crimeans are more afraid of Putin than Stalin or Khrushchev? OK..
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So you are trying to convince me that Crimeans are more afraid of Putin than Stalin or Khrushchev? OK..
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No, I'm saying even if they weren't happy and hated being under Putin they'd tow the line so as not to be "Clintoned".
 
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KB5252 said:
No, I'm saying even if they weren't happy and hated being under Putin they'd tow the line so as not to be "Clintoned".
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You had far more civil disobedience and chaos during the Soviet Era than now... not even close. And the Soviets were ruthless. So don't give me this nonsense about them being too afraid now vs back then. If they are dissatisfied, the US & UK would have already had a subversive group in Crimea that was disrupting things.
 
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allvol123 said:
Again with the escape. Great choice of words. Maybe just the 3%.

Again, what land has the US forcefully annexed in the last 20 years?
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I already told you that we haven't, what we do instead is "occupy" locations. See Northeast Syria, for example.
 
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volinbham said:
It's crazy how we are countering Russia through the media rather than a robust diplomatic effort.
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Have you seen a bunch of those State Department press briefings with Jen Psaki back in 2014 and afterwards? They actually had one incident where they used Twitter and social media as a source for what was going on in Ukraine. I gotta find that video.

Chew on this while I try to find it...

 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Speculation or fabrication?
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Who knows man..I dont trust Putin or the USG anymore. Not like we haven't known historical events, but always thought, naively I guess, that there were national interests at stake. After watching the Trump era and policticalization of agencies, I am starting to believe modern history is just self or some unseen interests. And yet we dont know 5% of it IMO with propagandized MSM.

I said it before. that early appearance of Trump at CIA just seemed odd. Seeing Vindman on MSM, GHW Bush a CIA Director at that..well the list is endless. Who in Hades is running this show? Presidents come and go but the machine does what it does.
 
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