Was Golesh the "secret sauce" to the Heupel offense?

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GAV4L said:
Seems like the offense hasn't been the same since he left for USF.
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They know far more than most fans about their situation. There are probably some factors we don't know about, and they know, that inhibits them from being able to make immediate systemic changes. I do wonder at times why there isn't more creativity within the current system. I think that is all about our QB. It's a process
 
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GAV4L said:
Seems like the offense hasn't been the same since he left for USF.
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Georgia, SC last year and OSU this year have all commented that our formation and down dictate play selection. They knew what we were running and all manhandled us. We’re way too predictable and the offense is not novel anymore. It isn’t the loss of Golesh. Heupel called the plays then and now.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Georgia, SC last year and OSU this year have all commented that our formation and down dictate play selection. They knew what we were running and all manhandled us. We’re way too predictable and the offense is not novel anymore. It isn’t the loss of Golesh. Heupel called the plays then and now.
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You think that is limits of the system or limits of the personnel running the system?
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Georgia, SC last year and OSU this year have all commented that our formation and down dictate play selection. They knew what we were running and all manhandled us. We’re way too predictable and the offense is not novel anymore. It isn’t the loss of Golesh. Heupel called the plays then and now.
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This. We need to change things up. For an example, you can only run so many routes with receivers at the sidelines.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Georgia, SC last year and OSU this year have all commented that our formation and down dictate play selection. They knew what we were running and all manhandled us. We’re way too predictable and the offense is not novel anymore. It isn’t the loss of Golesh. Heupel called the plays then and now.
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We do not have a coach problem, a system problem, a predictability problem. What we do have is a QB problem. I have explained it a few times in other threads that the QB this year was the issue. Not that Nico is bad or wont be the guy we want him to be, but this year he could not process information fast enough. Same with Joe. Our offense is built to go fast, there is no misdirection, no motion, nothing to move the eyes of the defense. It is made to be fast, so fast that defenses have to mainly play a base.

Our offense slowed down the last 2 years because our QB's could not process what the defense quick enough. This gave the defense time to see our formation and adjust. Nico had predetermined receives to throw the ball to and we ran simple plays because of his processing time and the OL.

When Hendon was here he was a 5th year QB, he could process the information quickly and get us into the right formation and get the ball snapped quick. We ran the same plays then as now, the defense just did not have time to adjust or get lined up correctly.

Think about when Hendon got to the red zone, we slowed down and scoring became much more difficult. In 2022 we were much more deadly from the 40 than we were from the 15.

If Nico gets quicker, our pace gets quicker, and teams will not be able to adjust. 2022 Georgia was 27-13 with a defensive secondary built in the image of a high school team.

If we get Nico to read the defense quicker, or go to someone who can, then we will speed up and these conversations can go away.
 
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It has been said on here many times that tp run this offense to the fullest you need a QB that reads quickly, makes the decision and then lets it fly AND hits the receiver. Hooker was the perfect QB at the perfect time. Time will tell if Nico or George or Faizon will do the same.
 
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Golfprovol said:
They are built to go fast! we could not go fast....see my other post here.
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I do understand differences, I really do. But with Coach knowing we're slowing down things need to be adjusted. I'm not saying he needs to reinvent his offense, he needs to add a few things to it or adjust. When I know exactly what's coming many beers deep on my couch you know the opposing d coordinator does too.
 
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Golfprovol said:
We do not have a coach problem, a system problem, a predictability problem. What we do have is a QB problem. I have explained it a few times in other threads that the QB this year was the issue. Not that Nico is bad or wont be the guy we want him to be, but this year he could not process information fast enough. Same with Joe. Our offense is built to go fast, there is no misdirection, no motion, nothing to move the eyes of the defense. It is made to be fast, so fast that defenses have to mainly play a base.

Our offense slowed down the last 2 years because our QB's could not process what the defense quick enough. This gave the defense time to see our formation and adjust. Nico had predetermined receives to throw the ball to and we ran simple plays because of his processing time and the OL.

When Hendon was here he was a 5th year QB, he could process the information quickly and get us into the right formation and get the ball snapped quick. We ran the same plays then as now, the defense just did not have time to adjust or get lined up correctly.

Think about when Hendon got to the red zone, we slowed down and scoring became much more difficult. In 2022 we were much more deadly from the 40 than we were from the 15.

If Nico gets quicker, our pace gets quicker, and teams will not be able to adjust. 2022 Georgia was 27-13 with a defensive secondary built in the image of a high school team.

If we get Nico to read the defense quicker, or go to someone who can, then we will speed up and these conversations can go away.
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Thanks for “explaining”. I’m not sure why you think your dim bulb is going to light up the night sky, but I feel pretty confident that our offense has limitations that go beyond quarterback reads. If you follow any analysts that break down offenses they’ll tell you the same thing. Our offense did well in 22 because no one knew it or the calls, we had a great qb who could read and some excellent receivers. Now our offense is not new, Nico telegraphs reads, and we have a mediocre/injured stable of receivers. Regardless of what you might think, this conversation isn’t “going away” until they fix several issues, not just one.
 
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just bob said:
I do understand differences, I really do. But with Coach knowing we're slowing down things need to be adjusted. I'm not saying he needs to reinvent his offense, he needs to add a few things to it or adjust. When I know exactly what's coming many beers deep on my couch you know the opposing d coordinator does too.
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That would be great....slow down this year with a manageable schedule so next year Nico still isnt ready to go fast. If he changes things this year because we cannot go fast, then when do we go fast? At some point, there was so much tape on Bama and on UGA, that we have seen it all before, it comes down to our guy beating their guy.
 
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Golfprovol said:
That would be great....slow down this year with a manageable schedule so next year Nico still isnt ready to go fast. If he changes things this year because we cannot go fast, then when do we go fast? At some point, there was so much tape on Bama and on UGA, that we have seen it all before, it comes down to our guy beating their guy.
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I wonder how much the coach earpiece with the QB on the field came into play. Did H want to call plays after the D was lined up?
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Thanks for “explaining”. I’m not sure why you think your dim bulb is going to light up the night sky, but I feel pretty confident that our offense has limitations that go beyond quarterback reads. If you follow any analysts that break down offenses they’ll tell you the same thing. Our offense did well in 22 because no one knew it or the calls, we had a great qb who could read and some excellent receivers. Now our offense is not new, Nico telegraphs reads, and we have a mediocre/injured stable of receivers. Regardless of what you might think, this conversation isn’t “going away” until they fix several issues, not just one.
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CJH did not make up his offense when he got to UT. Do you think coaches did not study tape from UCF? You said it yourself, Nico telegraphs reads, because he is being told where to throw the ball because he cannot process information quick enough. The OL cannot block and wait on him to hold it for 10 seconds before he throws it.

By the end of 2022, coaches had plenty of tape to watch and our offense was not NEW, but they still could not stop it.

This year we did not have a WR who could take the top off the defense, but when we did get behind them, we missed it. just as we did last year. We made the playoff this year and you people are acting like we are back to being winless in the SEC.
 
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just bob said:
I wonder how much the coach earpiece with the QB on the field came into play. Did H want to call plays after the D was lined up?
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CJH was telling Nico where to throw it based on what the defense was doing. Think about the times last week where he threw it into 3 and 4 defenders.....he was told to throw the ball to that route. As he gets quicker, we will go faster and look more like 2022
 
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