Was Golesh the "secret sauce" to the Heupel offense?

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Golfprovol said:
CJH was telling Nico where to throw it based on what the defense was doing. Think about the times last week where he threw it into 3 and 4 defenders.....he was told to throw the ball to that route. As he gets quicker, we will go faster and look more like 2022
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Yeah that's not good.

We lined up real fast like before but then would take 10 seconds or more to snap it. If H is telling him where to throw it based on the D look then that is really, really bad. D's disguise their looks for a reason. Opposing coaches know our plays and reads by now.
 
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Golfprovol said:
CJH did not make up his offense when he got to UT. Do you think coaches did not study tape from UCF? You said it yourself, Nico telegraphs reads, because he is being told where to throw the ball because he cannot process information quick enough. The OL cannot block and wait on him to hold it for 10 seconds before he throws it.

By the end of 2022, coaches had plenty of tape to watch and our offense was not NEW, but they still could not stop it.

This year we did not have a WR who could take the top off the defense, but when we did get behind them, we missed it. just as we did last year. We made the playoff this year and you people are acting like we are back to being winless in the SEC.
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The offense was new to SEC coaches in 22.
 
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To be honest, I don't think Coach Heupel inspires "take the hill" mentality. He's like the brilliant lieutenant who can draw up the strategy to take the hill, while Golesh was the sargeant who made the troops WANT to take the hill. It's not a knock on CJP.
 
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just bob said:
Yeah that's not good.

We lined up real fast like before but then would take 10 seconds or more to snap it. If H is telling him where to throw it based on the D look then that is really, really bad. D's disguise their looks for a reason. Opposing coaches know our plays and reads by now.
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That would really get under my skin - line up really fast, then stop. A smart defense wil do a shift and get a false start. Georgia did this to us in our own house last season, I believe.
 
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TennesseeTarheel said:
That would really get under my skin - line up really fast, then stop. A smart defense wil do a shift and get a false start. Georgia did this to us in our own house last season, I believe.
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I wondered way earlier in the year if that communication device jacked with us. Wondered if Nico would have been better just lining up and going.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Georgia, SC last year and OSU this year have all commented that our formation and down dictate play selection. They knew what we were running and all manhandled us. We’re way too predictable and the offense is not novel anymore. It isn’t the loss of Golesh. Heupel called the plays then and now.
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We beat SC easily last year.
 
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I think the combination of players and coaches made our 22 offense incredible. We just don't have the right ingredients now. There should be some hard decisions made on the staff and the players. They can't be babying the players. Either they produce or they get benched. Bummer about your ego.
 
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Golfprovol said:
We do not have a coach problem, a system problem, a predictability problem. What we do have is a QB problem. I have explained it a few times in other threads that the QB this year was the issue. Not that Nico is bad or wont be the guy we want him to be, but this year he could not process information fast enough. Same with Joe. Our offense is built to go fast, there is no misdirection, no motion, nothing to move the eyes of the defense. It is made to be fast, so fast that defenses have to mainly play a base.

Our offense slowed down the last 2 years because our QB's could not process what the defense quick enough. This gave the defense time to see our formation and adjust. Nico had predetermined receives to throw the ball to and we ran simple plays because of his processing time and the OL.

When Hendon was here he was a 5th year QB, he could process the information quickly and get us into the right formation and get the ball snapped quick. We ran the same plays then as now, the defense just did not have time to adjust or get lined up correctly.

Think about when Hendon got to the red zone, we slowed down and scoring became much more difficult. In 2022 we were much more deadly from the 40 than we were from the 15.

If Nico gets quicker, our pace gets quicker, and teams will not be able to adjust. 2022 Georgia was 27-13 with a defensive secondary built in the image of a high school team.

If we get Nico to read the defense quicker, or go to someone who can, then we will speed up and these conversations can go away.
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During one of our games when he was our OC, the announcers did a piece on him. They basically said that he knew what he wanted to call five plays ahead of the current call based on the flow of the game. That was a big part of our hurry up offense. He was that prepared for each game, and I believe that is something that will never be replicated again.

Like it or not, we lost bigtime when he left.
 
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Golfprovol said:
We do not have a coach problem, a system problem, a predictability problem. What we do have is a QB problem. I have explained it a few times in other threads that the QB this year was the issue. Not that Nico is bad or wont be the guy we want him to be, but this year he could not process information fast enough. Same with Joe. Our offense is built to go fast, there is no misdirection, no motion, nothing to move the eyes of the defense. It is made to be fast, so fast that defenses have to mainly play a base.

Our offense slowed down the last 2 years because our QB's could not process what the defense quick enough. This gave the defense time to see our formation and adjust. Nico had predetermined receives to throw the ball to and we ran simple plays because of his processing time and the OL.

When Hendon was here he was a 5th year QB, he could process the information quickly and get us into the right formation and get the ball snapped quick. We ran the same plays then as now, the defense just did not have time to adjust or get lined up correctly.

Think about when Hendon got to the red zone, we slowed down and scoring became much more difficult. In 2022 we were much more deadly from the 40 than we were from the 15.

If Nico gets quicker, our pace gets quicker, and teams will not be able to adjust. 2022 Georgia was 27-13 with a defensive secondary built in the image of a high school team.

If we get Nico to read the defense quicker, or go to someone who can, then we will speed up and these conversations can go away.
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Incorrect.. It's a system problem. Teams have caught on to what we run. It's not that hard to see. Nothing has changed and we've become too predictable. When was the last time we had a chance to put the game away and couldn't do it. All we needed was a 1st down and couldn't get it. Nico is NOT the problem. It's the Oline and Defensive Coach's know what's coming. CJH needs to adjust or bring in an OC that can bring something new to the offense. Simple as that. Plus have an Oline Coach that can develop his Online and a WR Coach that can recruit and teach his WR's how to get open and catch the ball.
 
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Golfprovol said:
CJH did not make up his offense when he got to UT. Do you think coaches did not study tape from UCF? You said it yourself, Nico telegraphs reads, because he is being told where to throw the ball because he cannot process information quick enough. The OL cannot block and wait on him to hold it for 10 seconds before he throws it.

By the end of 2022, coaches had plenty of tape to watch and our offense was not NEW, but they still could not stop it.

This year we did not have a WR who could take the top off the defense, but when we did get behind them, we missed it. just as we did last year. We made the playoff this year and you people are acting like we are back to being winless in the SEC.
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Hooker completed those passes. There's a fairly
 
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