Was it the blown no call that cost the titans

[BigPapaVol]

Did that no call help the Ravens' cause?

 

[jakez4ut]

it didn't hurt. that no call safety could have been huge......but the reality is despite the no calls........the titans dominated this game. they had mulitple opportunities to get points and came away with nothing. that goes to TO's.......that's what did it my book.....the crumpler TO in that part of the field............that was tough.

 

[DC Vol]

it didn't hurt. that no call safety could have been huge......but the reality is despite the no calls........the titans dominated this game. they had mulitple opportunities to get points and came away with nothing. that goes to TO's.......that's what did it my book.....the crumpler TO in that part of the field............that was tough.

The Titans dominated the game between the 20s... but that doesn't matter when everything is tallied.

I do think there are legs to the "bye week blues". There is no doubt that they needed a week off to heal, but I do think that made them lose a tiny bit of focus which goes a long way on gameday.

 

[jakez4ut]

watching the Panther game Saturday night in the friendly confines of Bank of America stadium, i might agree. then you watch the Giants lose.........home teams 1-3 over the weekend.

hard to imagine? but i think after watching the whole weekend, it had more to do with the match ups than anything else.

the panthers vs. the Cards...........the panthers defense was the achillies heel all season and the cards took advantage of it. that was the match up that gave them the chance to win, and they took the best part of their game and beat the crap out of the worst part of our game.

the giants vs. the Eagles.......no over the top threat for the Giants, the Eagles simply said beat us over the top then. they loaded up to stop the run, and did. Hixon and Smith and Boss couldn't beat the Eagles.

Titans vs. Ravens........this is the one game where i think there wasn't any favorable match up......at least not so favaorable like the other two games........so you might have a point.......the turnovers..........hm. tough way to lose.

Steelers vs. CHargers........the steelers finally just lined up and decided to play physical offensive football. this game, the bye definitely helped. Parker and Moore and Ben all healthy......the O line got much needed rest.........and they went out and executed.

so, 2-3 the losss, i'd just put it on the match up problems more so than anything else, sadly for you titan fans, i think there may be something to that "home town hangover" thing you speak of......they killed themselves with the TO's.

and the steelers....well they just looked good.

 

[DC Vol]

The Giants looked completely off-cycle. The Eagles looked much more focused. The Giants just really looked a 1/2 step slow the entire game.

The Titans, in my honest opinion, looked better for most of the game. I know it's kind of a clicque to say that, but they did. Minus a stupid throw by Collins and 2 fumbles lost and the Titans win relatively big (for a playoff game). 11 penalties didn't help the Titan's case. It was the Titans game to lose, and they lost it.

The Cards are... man. The freakin Cardinals? I never thought I would live to see the day.

I still can't believe the Chargers had One Offensive Play in the 3rd Quarter.

 

[jakez4ut]

that was the best 3rd quarter of football i've ever seen. the next closes thing was what Auburn did to South Carolina a couple of years ago........Auburn had a 7 or 8 minute drive to open the 3rd, scored a TD, and then kicked an on sides kick......they had the ball 13 minutes of the 3rd quarter of that game.

 

[ladyVOLfan333]

That game was destined to be a very very close and hard-fought game. Yes, the Titans committed turnovers that play a definite role in costing them the game.


That does NOT, however, mean that the delay of game no-call did not cost them. If the Ravens had won 21-10... it wouldn't mean anything. They won 13-10 and got that final field goal on the drive that was opened up because of the resulting play off of that no-call. That's a little more meaningful than what you're painting the situation out to be.

well said. I agree completely. :salute:

 

[ladyVOLfan333]

There is no excuse for the no-call on Delay of Game.

Here's something:

In the Giants/Eagles game the Giants had the ball and snapped the ball around the 2:00 mark. They ran for 6 yards. Andy Reid (HFC Eagles) then brought it to the Ref's attention that the clock had indeed reached the 2:00 mark, they reviewed it (not a Coaches Challenge) and overturned the play. The Giants then had the ball with a 1st and 10 at the 2:00 mark.

If that can happen, why can't the fact that the ball was snapped with 2 seconds passing off of the play clock in the Titans game?

I was thinking the same thing when that happened.

 

[DC Vol]

That game was destined to be a very very close and hard-fought game. Yes, the Titans committed turnovers that play a definite role in costing them the game.


That does NOT, however, mean that the delay of game no-call did not cost them. If the Ravens had won 21-10... it wouldn't mean anything. They won 13-10 and got that final field goal on the drive that was opened up because of the resulting play off of that no-call. That's a little more meaningful than what you're painting the situation out to be.

Apparently, Fisher has part of the blame as to why the Officials didn't rethink the no-call:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs2008/news/story?id=3826899

He apparently wasn't adament about calling the Officials on it on the gameday.

 

[RCKYT0P]

That game was destined to be a very very close and hard-fought game. Yes, the Titans committed turnovers that play a definite role in costing them the game.


That does NOT, however, mean that the delay of game no-call did not cost them. If the Ravens had won 21-10... it wouldn't mean anything. They won 13-10 and got that final field goal on the drive that was opened up because of the resulting play off of that no-call. That's a little more meaningful than what you're painting the situation out to be.

The no call was no more costly than turnovers and penalties....that is what I am trying to say, the officials no more COST them the game than everything else that led up to it. The Titans only scored 10 points....obviously something wasn't ticking for them on offense. Had their offense executed, this would not be an issue.

It is not any more meaningful than other things that led to the Titans getting beat.

In all my arguments, I am not trying to say the officials are perfect and do not miss things. What I am trying to tell you is that they are no more of a cause to lose a game than everything else that goes into a game. One penalty or no call is no worse than a fumble or dropped ball in the end zone, or a DB getting beat deep for a TD.

It takes all aspects...you cannot blame a loss on one decision the officials made. The team puts itself into the situation where a call seems to make a huge difference in the game. Did the Titans not have 3 turnovers INSIDE the red zone?

 

[RCKYT0P]

Did that no call help the Ravens' cause?

No more than Titans penalties and turnonvers

 

[DC Vol]

The no call was no more costly than turnovers and penalties....that is what I am trying to say, the officials no more COST them the game than everything else that led up to it. The Titans only scored 10 points....obviously something wasn't ticking for them on offense. Had their offense executed, this would not be an issue.

It is not any more meaningful than other things that led to the Titans getting beat.

In all my arguments, I am not trying to say the officials are perfect and do not miss things. What I am trying to tell you is that they are no more of a cause to lose a game than everything else that goes into a game. One penalty or no call is no worse than a fumble or dropped ball in the end zone, or a DB getting beat deep for a TD.

It takes all aspects...you cannot blame a loss on one decision the officials made. The team puts itself into the situation where a call seems to make a huge difference in the game. Did the Titans not have 3 turnovers INSIDE the red zone?

I think you're missing my point. It is part of a shared responsibility. Fisher said that exact same thing.

If we hadn't fumbled 2 times in the Red Zone we would have won. That is definitely a problem.

Getting 11 penalties did not help our case.


That's the problem with playoffs. Everyone is scrutinized... and should be. It shouldn't be a write-off for Refs just because their job is (and I do recognize this) incredibly complicated. They get lambasted for their bad calls and are rarely recognized for their good calls.

Simply put the no-call on the delay of game was probably one of the worst calls/no calls I've seen in a long, long time. There is no excuse for that.

 

[RCKYT0P]

I think you're missing my point. It is part of a shared responsibility. Fisher said that exact same thing.

If we hadn't fumbled 2 times in the Red Zone we would have won. That is definitely a problem.

Getting 11 penalties did not help our case.


That's the problem with playoffs. Everyone is scrutinized... and should be. It shouldn't be a write-off for Refs just because their job is (and I do recognize this) incredibly complicated. They get lambasted for their bad calls and are rarely recognized for their good calls.

Simply put the no-call on the delay of game was probably one of the worst calls/no calls I've seen in a long, long time. There is no excuse for that.

If the clock you saw on TV was the official clock, and the back judge was not timing it himself...on his own watch. I cannot disagree with you. It should have been called.

However, for people to say that this one particular no call is what caused the Titans to lose this game...that is just crazy

BTW...I like your Coach O and Red Bull avatar

 

[RCKYT0P]

Wow...this is most involved I have ever been in a thread

 

[DC Vol]

If the clock you saw on TV was the official clock, and the back judge was not timing it himself...on his own watch. I cannot disagree with you. It should have been called.

However, for people to say that this one particular no call is what caused the Titans to lose this game...that is just crazy

BTW...I like your Coach O and Red Bull avatar

I know I am not saying that, but all of the input I've heard (Fisher, posters and Sports commentators) are saying it was a crucial point in the game, but not the reason the Titan's lost the game.

If anything it had more to do with the Ravens winning than the Titans losing, if that makes any sense.

Simply put the Titans almost outgained the Raves 2 yards to 1 and A) didn't score when they should have (even if they sputtered in the red zone they should have come out with 6 points... crucial) B) didn't cause turnovers.

 

[Bassmanbruno]

The one no call did not cost the Titans the game.

It no more cost them the game then turnovers and penalties.

The call may have been missed. One call....how about 3 Titans turnovers?

Yet, lets fire the officials...why not release the Titans players that caused the turnovers. Or yet, the players that had penalties called on them.

Am I sounding stupid now? Yes....but no worse than people wanting to blame the one no call, of what appears to be, a delay of game.

I think we aill ever agree on this

It doesn't matter. Everyone here will admit the Titans screwed up. But that DOES NOT give the luxury to the refs to screw up on THE BIGGEST AND MOST CRUCIAL play of the game... third and long goes for a huge gain and a first down.

I don't see how the Titans playing a sloppy game excuses the refs for being morons here. There are things you can control (Titans sloppiness) and things you can't (refs being idiotic - and it cost them just as much as their own mistakes).

 

[RCKYT0P]

It doesn't matter. Everyone here will admit the Titans screwed up. But that DOES NOT give the luxury to the refs to screw up on THE BIGGEST AND MOST CRUCIAL play of the game... third and long goes for a huge gain and a first down.

I don't see how the Titans playing a sloppy game excuses the refs for being morons here. There are things you can control (Titans sloppiness) and things you can't (refs being idiotic - and it cost them just as much as their own mistakes).

Some games are better officiated than others, just like anything else. You can blame ticky tacky holding calls or questionable pass interference calls for "costing" nearly any team any game.

That play was no more important that the 3 Titans turnovers. I think those plays proved to be fairly important as well.

 

[Bassmanbruno]

Some games are better officiated than others, just like anything else. You can blame ticky tacky holding calls or questionable pass interference calls for "costing" any team any game.

That play was no more important that the 3 Titans turnovers. I think those plays proved to be fairly important as well.

I don't care how you try to spin it. They clock sat on zero for ATLEAST TWO SECONDS. There is no excuse for that and you should stop trying to argue here - you're biased based on your user name - so you're in a no win situation here - you're a ref and there's no viable reason to defend these guys here. They screwed up royally.

Like I said - no one is saying the Titans didn't have their chances - they did and PLENTY. But that's stuff that can be controlled and changed. You can't control horrible, obvious calls... it wasn't a questionable call like a hold, PI, or roughing the passer. It was a set in stone call that was clearly missed and its pathetic. I could understand if it stay on zero for less than a second or so. That can't be controlled by the team and it cost the Titans.

 

[VolDad]

It doesn't matter. Everyone here will admit the Titans screwed up. But that DOES NOT give the luxury to the refs to screw up on THE BIGGEST AND MOST CRUCIAL play of the game... third and long goes for a huge gain and a first down.

I don't see how the Titans playing a sloppy game excuses the refs for being morons here. There are things you can control (Titans sloppiness) and things you can't (refs being idiotic - and it cost them just as much as their own mistakes).

I don't have a dog in the fight but am curious, why was that play the "biggest most and most crucial play of the game"?

Also,since when is 3rd and 2 considered 3rd and long; unless you want to tack the 5 yard penalty onto it, but they went for 23 yards.

 

[Bassmanbruno]

I don't have a dog in the fight but am curious, why was that play the "biggest most and most crucial play of the game"?

Also,since when is 3rd and 2 considered 3rd and long; unless you want to tack the 5 yard penalty onto it, but they went for 23 yards.

Was talking about with the penalty added but didn't word it well.

How is it not? If the Titans get a stop there... they're guaranteed overtime at minimum and they have ALL their timeouts remaining. Baltimore would have more than likely punted and Tennessee would have the ball at the 35 minimum with a possible chance to return... this is with over 2 minutes remaining and a chance to win.

Time was no issue with the TOs and the 2 minute warning. Ravens weren't getting to Collins and they were tearing them up through the air. How was it not the most crucial play of the game? When you look at it before (without knowing what will happen - debatable of course but it is easily a top 5 without knowing the future circumstances) and after it's obvious. The Ravens weren't stopping Tennessee to that point so they was no reason to believe they would then.

 

[VolDad]

Was talking about with the penalty added but didn't word it well.

How is it not? If the Titans get a stop there... they're guaranteed overtime at minimum and they have ALL their timeouts remaining. Baltimore would have more than likely punted and Tennessee would have the ball at the 35 minimum with a possible chance to return... this is with over 2 minutes remaining and a chance to win.

Time was no issue with the TOs and the 2 minute warning. Ravens weren't getting to Collins and they were tearing them up through the air. How was it not the most crucial play of the game? When you look at it before (without knowing what will happen - debatable of course but it is easily a top 5 without knowing the future circumstances) and after it's obvious. The Ravens weren't stopping Tennessee to that point so they was no reason to believe they would then.

The completion took the ball to the Titans 45; well out of Stovers FG range. Why weren't any of the plays that let them pick up the additional 19 yards he needed for the kick considered the biggest and most crucial play of the game.

Why weren't any of the titans fumbles considered the biggest and most crucial play of the game.

I just don't know how you give any 1 play in a game the title of Biggest and most Crucial.

 

[Bassmanbruno]

The completion took the ball to the Titans 45; well out of Stovers FG range. Why weren't any of the plays that let them pick up the additional 19 yards he needed for the kick considered the biggest and most crucial play of the game.

Why weren't any of the titans fumbles considered the biggest and most crucial play of the game.

I just don't know how you give any 1 play in a game the title of Biggest and most Crucial.

Were the fumbles in the last 3 minutes of a tied game? No.

Did we get them in another 3rd down situation while there were NOT in FG range after the long completion? No.

I was mainly speaking before hand (not knowing the outcome of the play since that is what the refs were aware of at the time). Did we know Crumpler or White were going to fumble before those plays? No. We just figured they'd be important plays. That play was a 3rd down in the last few minutes of a tied playoff game.

Easily the biggest - even if we had gotten another 3rd down situation AFTER that play when they weren't in FG range - it wouldn't have been as big due to the fact field position is completely swapped and overtime is imminent since they've run the clock down more and Fisher would have played it conservatively rather than attempting to drive 80-99 yards instead of 60 or less.

I'm mainly talking about awareness of the refs before the play. It was an OBVIOUS crucial play and there's no excuse. Even when looking back - as you're stating by saying the fumbles were bigger - its still the biggest... although the White fumble comes close.

The Collins INT likely wouldn't have resulted in points unless he had managed to gain yards instead of just an incompletion.

The Crumpler fumble wasn't the biggest because it was 3rd down and he was more than likely going to be inches short fumble or not which would have led to a FG... and we ended up getting that anyway due to the goal line defense and good field position after forcing them to punt.

That's how it was the most important - specifically when looking before hand - but even when looking at everything after and considering the variables and factors. I'm not just saying this because they screwed up there - I did look at every outcome... the White fumble cost us dearly and is a close 2nd along with the missed FG. We likely wouldn't have scored more than 3 on that drive though if he hadn't fumbled since the clock was running down and the down and distance wasn't favorable if I remember correctly.

 

[DC Vol]

The completion took the ball to the Titans 45; well out of Stovers FG range. Why weren't any of the plays that let them pick up the additional 19 yards he needed for the kick considered the biggest and most crucial play of the game.

Why weren't any of the titans fumbles considered the biggest and most crucial play of the game.

I just don't know how you give any 1 play in a game the title of Biggest and most Crucial.

Circumstance dictates importance.

Regardless, the Officiating Crew should have realized the potential impact of the no-call, that late in the game, and should have absolutely reviewed it. For proof, see the Eagles/Giants 2 minute mark play... and that didn't even carry the amount of consternation the delay of game had.

I'm not arguing that that was the reason that the Titans lost... but I do think, singularly, that was the most important single play (or no play) of the game.

 

[ladyVOLfan333]

I don't care how you try to spin it. They clock sat on zero for ATLEAST TWO SECONDS. There is no excuse for that and you should stop trying to argue here - you're biased based on your user name - so you're in a no win situation here - you're a ref and there's no viable reason to defend these guys here. They screwed up royally.

Like I said - no one is saying the Titans didn't have their chances - they did and PLENTY. But that's stuff that can be controlled and changed. You can't control horrible, obvious calls... it wasn't a questionable call like a hold, PI, or roughing the passer. It was a set in stone call that was clearly missed and its pathetic. I could understand if it stay on zero for less than a second or so. That can't be controlled by the team and it cost the Titans.

:good!:You said it perfectly.

...and football ref, I admit I never should have said the official should be fired over one bad no-call.
BUT at the very least I think some action (or fine) be taken against him if for no other reason that this was a VERY important game that the Titans might have won had the right call been made.

Also, your comparing mistakes made by the players and mistakes made by refs makes no sence to me. When turnovers or fumbles are made by the players, the opposing team gets rewarded by recovering the ball if they do. When a ref makes a bad no-call, the team that benefits is the one that made the mistake to start with.

 

[RCKYT0P]

It doesn't matter. Everyone here will admit the Titans screwed up. But that DOES NOT give the luxury to the refs to screw up on THE BIGGEST AND MOST CRUCIAL play of the game... third and long goes for a huge gain and a first down.

I don't see how the Titans playing a sloppy game excuses the refs for being morons here. There are things you can control (Titans sloppiness) and things you can't (refs being idiotic - and it cost them just as much as their own mistakes).

I don't care how you try to spin it. They clock sat on zero for ATLEAST TWO SECONDS. There is no excuse for that and you should stop trying to argue here - you're biased based on your user name - so you're in a no win situation here - you're a ref and there's no viable reason to defend these guys here. They screwed up royally.

Like I said - no one is saying the Titans didn't have their chances - they did and PLENTY. But that's stuff that can be controlled and changed. You can't control horrible, obvious calls... it wasn't a questionable call like a hold, PI, or roughing the passer. It was a set in stone call that was clearly missed and its pathetic. I could understand if it stay on zero for less than a second or so. That can't be controlled by the team and it cost the Titans.

I am the biased one looking at it one sided? Your bolded words tell me that you have only one way to look at the officials....they are bad!

If you would read what I post...I have said they make mistakes. Would you really expect them not to? What I think is ridiculous it that when the refs miss something they are completely bashed for whatever call the have made, good or bad...either way it is bad for one side. You cannot blame the officials completely for ANY loss you will ever have!

You have not done this, you admit that they are not totally to blame for the Titans loss.

What exactly did it cost the Titans? You have said yourself that the call did not cost them the game...