Wazzu coach fired for failing to get vaccinated.

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bamawriter said:
So, a construction company should not be able to require tetanus vaccines for folks on a work site?

And for what it's worth, the NCAA played no role in WSU's mandate or the decision to fire Rolovich.
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Do schools not have to be under NCAA rule?

As far as a tetanus vaccine: Why not just work and if something happens, go get a tetanus shot?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Without an MD and/or advanced degree in immunology you wanna go against a state with multiple MDs and immunologists?

Lemme guess, you heard stuff on the internet.......

Jeez. So did you get your coaching info from the non-mainstream coaching circles also?
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I am pro-vax. Got on list for no show replacement. Was one of the first.
I need no info from any kind of coaching circle to know JG is not a QB.
The point was if the WS coach felt that strongly about not getting vaxxed, there are bogus cards to be had. Walking from a 2 million dollar a year job is idiotic.
 
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NO SIR EEE said:
Do schools not have to be under NCAA rule?
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I guess technically they don't have to, because the NAIA exists. Though if you have any hope of making money from college sports, the NCAA is pretty much the gatekeeper.

But it's irrelevant because this particular decision had zero involvement from the NCAA.

As far as a tetanus vaccine: Why not just work and if something happens, go get a tetanus shot?
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If something happens, should the employer be able to require the exposed worker to get a tetanus shot?
 
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tnutater said:
I am pro-vax. Got on list for no show replacement. Was one of the first.
I need no info from any kind of coaching circle to know JG is not a QB.
The point was if the WS coach felt that strongly about not getting vaxxed, there are bogus cards to be had. Walking from a 2 million dollar a year job is idiotic.
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Evander Kane just got suspended for 1/4 of the NHL season without pay for trying to use a phony card.
 
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bamawriter said:
I guess technically they don't have to, because the NAIA exists. Though if you have any hope of making money from college sports, the NCAA is pretty much the gatekeeper.

But it's irrelevant because this particular decision had zero involvement from the NCAA.



If something happens, should the employer be able to require the exposed worker to get a tetanus shot?
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No the employer shouldn't be able to require that. If you get a cut or whatever, it's completely up to you.
 
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bamawriter said:
But you just said the worker shouldn't be required to get a tetanus shot. If he develops tetanus he's probably going to be missing work.
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I'm not going back and forth with you. I know what side of the fence you stand on. There is zero reasoning with any of you.
 
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bamawriter said:
Evander Kane just got suspended for 1/4 of the NHL season without pay for trying to use a phony card.
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Details?
How did he get caught?
Personal medical records or by not keeping his mouth shut? He attempt to do it yourself method with idiot ink and a WalMart copier? Blood test ?
 
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tnutater said:
Details?
How did he get caught?
Personal medical records or by not keeping his mouth shut? He attempt to do it yourself method with idiot ink and a WalMart copier?
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San Jose Sharks' Evander Kane suspended 21 games for violation of COVID-19 protocols - CBSSports.com

It doesn't say how the NHL found out. But there are several methods. It can be as simple as checking to see if the lot number was distributed around the date on the card and in the geography in question.
 
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Majors said:
Interesting and confusing time we live in now. Personal choice vs. being told what to think/do.
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What's changed, honestly, is the level of narcissism. The requirements were much more draconian 50 years ago. To go to school, you had to #1 actually go (there was no homeschooling for people who could physically reach a school) and you had to have your shots (no exemptions). That's the way it was. People's expectations have changed. In some ways, these changes were a good thing. A lot of evil was done by the authorities in the past. In other cases, it just opens the door to more chaos, which could have some harmful effects here and there. Like, for example, if you kill enough policemen, some of the quality of life you take for granted today would not be normal in the future.

In the past, it could have been perfectly normal for people to refuse to get vaccinated until the vaccine was approved by the FDA. that's not crazy. But we had no social media back then, so it would have been pretty strange for people to say it was all a hoax, or all this dumb "what about this" stuff you see all over social media. In the past, organized efforts to stoke fear and ignorance was how people like the communist party had to operate. You had to send chain letters back then to spread an urban legend. Lots of work.
 
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bamawriter said:
You don't believe in the effectiveness of the tetanus vaccine?
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You're attempting to corner him on his trust of various vaccines. I think he is drawing a line in the sand about forced vaccination. People do things in their personal life which they don't want applied to the larger society.
We are supposedly a country built on individual liberty.
 
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McDad said:
You're attempting to corner him on his trust of various vaccines.
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Obviously. And it wasn't terribly difficult.

I think he is drawing a line in the sand about forced vaccination.
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Which would be a fine argument, and one with which I would agree, except that the subject of this particular thread wasn't forced to get vaccinated. It's odd to use a currently unvaccinated individual as an example of the evils of forced vaccination.

People do things in their personal life which they don't want applied to the larger society. We are supposedly a country built on individual liberty.
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But every individual has liberty. Rolovich has individual liberty as do his (now former) employers. Sometimes the way individuals exercise their liberties are at odds with one another. Such a situation cannot always be avoided.

In the end, Rolovich seems to be a pretty good coach. I hope he catches on at a place where he can coach without compromising his principles.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
What's changed, honestly, is the level of narcissism. The requirements were much more draconian 50 years ago. To go to school, you had to #1 actually go (there was no homeschooling for people who could physically reach a school) and you had to have your shots (no exemptions). That's the way it was. People's expectations have changed. In some ways, these changes were a good thing. A lot of evil was done by the authorities in the past. In other cases, it just opens the door to more chaos, which could have some harmful effects here and there. Like, for example, if you kill enough policemen, some of the quality of life you take for granted today would be normal in the future.

In the past, it could have been perfectly normal for people to refuse to get vaccinated until the vaccine was approved by the FDA. that's not crazy. But we had no social media back then, so it would have been pretty strange for people to say it was all a hoax, or all this dumb "what about this" stuff you see all over social media. In the past, organized efforts to stoke fear and ignorance was how people like the communist party had to operate. You had to send chain letters back then to spread an urban legend. Lots of work.
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Well said. For decades we lived with the mindset of that is the way it is because not enough readily information was available or not enough people questioned the information in the beginning. An example, you can't produce proven vaccine without 5-10+ years worth of studies for safety , efficacy, side effects etc. That is what we were told but now that script has been flipped. Agree that peoples expectations have changed over the last two decades with opinions being passed as facts and facts only matter if it comes in the form of your own views.
 
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bamawriter said:
Obviously. And it wasn't terribly difficult.



Which would be a fine argument, and one with which I would agree, except that the subject of this particular thread wasn't forced to get vaccinated. It's odd to use a currently unvaccinated individual as an example of the evils of forced vaccination.



But every individual has liberty. Rolovich has individual liberty as do his (now former) employers. Sometimes the way individuals exercise their liberties are at odds with one another. Such a situation cannot always be avoided.

In the end, Rolovich seems to be a pretty good coach. I hope he catches on at a place where he can coach without compromising his principles.
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This coach is exercising his liberty. But it isn't in opposition to his boss, his school president, or his chancellor. It is in opposition to his government. You and I both enjoy a country which had its foundation laid at opposition to government rules.

I am sure he will find work in a state where Governors aren't taxing his tea against his principles.
 
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By the way, about 30 tetanus cases per year in America. All cases are people who haven't received all recommended tetanus vaccines. Also, few adults have received all recommended vaccines.
Both facts courtesy of CDC.
 
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