We are behind on this current class....

#26
#26
...and to blame LK for this "administrative error" is borderline delusional.
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#27
#27
This site is getting harder to read by the day. Everything that happens provokes a diatribe that Dooley is either brilliant or that he's in over his head. If you're for Dooley, you're an apologist, if you have doubts, you're not a true fan. Certainly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but doom and gloom every day, i don't see how some of you make it through the day.
 
#29
#29
Lord Vader said:
Dooley has to get his recruiting office shaped up. No excuse for what happened. It's his responsibility.
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Yes he does.

At this point it is a reason. If it happens again... it is an excuse.

It absolutely is his responsibility.

I can buy the office problem "reason" to a significant extent. CLK had the whole December dead period to get many of those things in line and decide which '10 recruits they would start pursuing after NSD.

Dooley went from a frantic run up to NSD and completing the staff to trying to get to know the team while catching up on recruiting evals to spring ball to now. His detractors don't seem to consider how much work he has personally stuffed into the last 3 months.
 
#30
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Fijivol72 said:
You must not get any news in Martin Tennessee so let me help you. This is a trend see Mclain, BB and now Thurman. This staff is just not up to the challenge of recruiting in the SEC yet and frankly may never be.
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Really? LT & JC are on the staff. They recruit the hell outa the SEC. Simmer.
 
#31
#31
Maybe Dooley should do tell an SI reporter that he's ran off everyone who couldn't cut it, and then Hamilton could do an interview a week later and say he hasn't fired anybody. Then we'll know he's got his crap together, just like our coach did last year.

Or he could just suck up to the reporters so stories like this don't get out, like most coaches do.
 
#32
#32
Fijivol72 said:
I call BS on this isn't the coaches fault.
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Of course you do... because in the end it doesn't matter what the involved parties say or what the circumstances are. All that really matters is what you have predetermined to be so. All hail mighty Fijivol72 the omniscient lord of Vol football.

We have La Tech clowns running a bigtime program and we are going to pay dearly for it.
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And just yesterday it seems that you were trying to claim that you wanted him to succeed and were open to giving him a chance.
4 months in and they don't have a clue.
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Just over 3 months... but I guess when someone has your power to shape reality you can mold time as well... so I guess we better call it 4 months, huh?
Mclain and now Thurman yet you apologist are still in denial.
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McLain and his coach said it was their fault. McLain GLOWED over the way he was personally treated and recruited by Dooley... yet YOU are still in denial.
Say what you want but at least our last staff had a clue who people were and worked night and day to make recruiting happen.
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The last staff had been on the job 2 more months by this point... that's 40% more time. Part of that time was a recruiting dead period in which they could get organized without losing ground on the competition. They weren't in bowl practice so they didn't have team concerns either. What Kiffin and full staff did in the 3 months prior to spring ball, DD operating for a while with a partial staff had to do that work within 6 weeks.
I personally believe this staff is lazy!!! To busy spouting character, talk, talk, talk.
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Yeah. Don't let reason or facts get in the way of a good opportunity to rant.
Read the article for yourself...
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Why? The great omniscient, omnipotent Fiji has spoken. Why trouble ourselves with reading when you have declared what IS?
 
#33
#33
lylsmorr said:
I didn't say that it doesn't hurt us. I'm saying let it happen more than one time before some blabbering joker comes on here spewing that kind of crap
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This, and I'm willing to say now that WE GET HIM anyway. AND, its really not that big of a deal to begin with.
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#34
#34
Guys, I don't agree with Eric that this doesn't fall on the coaches at all, but we really are going to be fine. I do believe that the coaches may be behind a little on the 2011 class and that is understandable. Think about it. Dooley came into a sh*t storm and had 3 weeks to close out the 2010 class, then he had to focus on his team and his football office organization. He had to get the know the players, hire his staff, figure out who would prepare what for spring practice, ect, ect all in 1 month before spring practice began. THen he had to focus on having a productive spring all the while trying to get some traction on the 2011 class.

He is doing a pretty damn good job so far on this 2011 class if you ask me. He has done everything you can ask. He has kept us in the mix (top 3-5) of most every recruit we could ask for, and he's got most of them on campus a couple of times.

Now was this a big mistake? Yes. But is it a mistake that is unforgivable or a sign that he lacks the ability to recruit successfully at Tennessee? Hell no.

If you are seeing things like this happen after this month of evaluation then you need to start worrying. This month is really the first time this staff has had the focus 100% on the 2011 recruiting class, and I think you will see us come out of this with a determined focus and resolve to kick some ass over the summer at our camps recruiting these kids.

All in all, I have a feeling if we go evaluate Thurman, bring him to a camp and offer him he will be ours in the end anyway...so chillax!
 
#35
#35
Even though I feel that this incident was a mistake, I have a really hard time buying that this situation is somehow more embarrassing to the University of Tennessee than:

1. Kiffin calling out Urban on cheating
2. Three CLK-recruited players getting arrested in their freshman season
3. The moronic section of our fanbase rioting in the streets over a football coach

Let's just face the fact that programs lose recruits all the time. Whether it's because they didn't know who they were at a spring game, whether it's because their attitude and philosophy doesn't mesh with the recruits, whether they didn't send them enough pretty postcards, or whether mom or grandma didn't give one coach a chance because she has some lovefest with some other coach that's already sweet-talked her.....it happens.

There's no possible way that Dooley could have even stablized that last class in 2-3 weeks this year if he had no ability to recruit or sell this program at all. Do I still wish that there was never a story like this? Damn right. But let's not pretend that all those high profile coaches come pre-installed with a 100% recruiting success background either.
 
#36
#36
Look what don't you guys understand? What did CDD do when he got here? He said he was going to recruit as hard as he could until signing day. He did that. He saved a top ten class which he had no business doing. Next he concentrated on the team he had. Trying to teach them the new systems and prepare the for spring practice. Then was spring practice and the orange and white game. Yes i understand the importance of recruiting and i also understand that other SEC schools have several commits. But for heavens sake give the man a chance. ITS FREAKING APRIL!!!! If you build it they will come. They are in the process of building a team. I am sure recruits will start to become more interested after their junior days, and when they can see the product on the field when the games roll around in the fall. I'm just sick and tired of reading people complain about the poor class we have right now. Just give him a chance thats all I'm asking. The Tennessee football program needs our support more than ever right now so lets give it to them.
VB
 
#37
#37
Lexvol said:
True.

The time tables lend themselves to the excuses in the article. Kiffin also mentioned being behind the 8 ball more than once.

The kid did his part by calling the recruiting office. I'm not going to make a mountain out of a mole hill, but this was clearly a mistake that shouldn't happen again...even on a fall back guy. It gives plenty of ammo for those that believe DD is in over his head.

The fanbase was sold on DD high organizational skills. Perhaps the recruiting office needs some Ritalin.
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I recommend 5-hour energy.
 
#38
#38
Ericvol2096 said:
Guys, I don't agree with Eric that this doesn't fall on the coaches at all, but we really are going to be fine. I do believe that the coaches may be behind a little on the 2011 class and that is understandable. Think about it. Dooley came into a sh*t storm and had 3 weeks to close out the 2010 class, then he had to focus on his team and his football office organization. He had to get the know the players, hire his staff, figure out who would prepare what for spring practice, ect, ect all in 1 month before spring practice began. THen he had to focus on having a productive spring all the while trying to get some traction on the 2011 class.

He is doing a pretty damn good job so far on this 2011 class if you ask me. He has done everything you can ask. He has kept us in the mix (top 3-5) of most every recruit we could ask for, and he's got most of them on campus a couple of times.

Now was this a big mistake? Yes. But is it a mistake that is unforgivable or a sign that he lacks the ability to recruit successfully at Tennessee? Hell no.

If you are seeing things like this happen after this month of evaluation then you need to start worrying. This month is really the first time this staff has had the focus 100% on the 2011 recruiting class, and I think you will see us come out of this with a determined focus and resolve to kick some ass over the summer at our camps recruiting these kids.

All in all, I have a feeling if we go evaluate Thurman, bring him to a camp and offer him he will be ours in the end anyway...so chillax!
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Good post :good!:
 
#39
#39
OrangeMagic said:
This site is getting harder to read by the day. Everything that happens provokes a diatribe that Dooley is either brilliant or that he's in over his head. If you're for Dooley, you're an apologist, if you have doubts, you're not a true fan. Certainly, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but doom and gloom every day, i don't see how some of you make it through the day.
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And if you're both for Dooley and you have doubts, your head explodes.
 
#40
#40
Vol For Life said:
Look what don't you guys understand? What did CDD do when he got here? He said he was going to recruit as hard as he could until signing day. He did that. He saved a top ten class which he had no business doing. Next he concentrated on the team he had. Trying to teach them the new systems and prepare the for spring practice. Then was spring practice and the orange and white game. Yes i understand the importance of recruiting and i also understand that other SEC schools have several commits. But for heavens sake give the man a chance. ITS FREAKING APRIL!!!! If you build it they will come. They are in the process of building a team. I am sure recruits will start to become more interested after their junior days, and when they can see the product on the field when the games roll around in the fall. I'm just sick and tired of reading people complain about the poor class we have right now. Just give him a chance thats all I'm asking. The Tennessee football program needs our support more than ever right now so lets give it to them.
VB
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"I'm a people person, G********!"

I think a lot of people just don't have that same feel we did last year. Did you notice how many people in the recruiting forum jolted as soon as Kiffin left? Regardless of who's back, you couple it with the fact that we don't really have as much info, and all these recruits kind of blend together towards the beginning of the recruiting season, and it just makes for being agitated.

Not to mention when you don't hear s*** from your newly appointed "Couldn't win in the WAC" coach, except for things like a kid driving 1000 miles out of the way to not have anything happen, people tend to ask questions and ultimately assume the worst. But that's why we're here. We'll *****, whine, be overjoyed, and all have sorts of emotions until about 28 kids sign on the dotted line in early February 2011.
 
#41
#41
Lord Vader said:
Dooley has to get his recruiting office shaped up. No excuse for what happened. It's his responsibility.
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The second and third sentences there are right. I'm not sure about the first. You have to remember that human beings work in these offices, and as such they make mistakes. My grad program has the best department administrator I have ever seen. She is literally, significantly more so than any faculty member, the least replaceable person in the department. But last semester, she made a typo that ended up scheduling metaphysics and topics in metaphysics in the same block. Obviously, that class had significant enrollment overlap, and it was weeks getting it straightened out. Is there excuse? No. Do things need to shape up? Also no. Mistakes happen, and as long as they're extremely rare, I think we're okay. I don't have the information to know whether or not they're extremely rare, but one publicized mistake doesn't mean the folks in the recruiting office can't do their jobs. :twocents:
 
#42
#42
Ericvol2096 said:
Guys, I don't agree with Eric that this doesn't fall on the coaches at all, but we really are going to be fine. I do believe that the coaches may be behind a little on the 2011 class and that is understandable. Think about it. Dooley came into a sh*t storm and had 3 weeks to close out the 2010 class, then he had to focus on his team and his football office organization. He had to get the know the players, hire his staff, figure out who would prepare what for spring practice, ect, ect all in 1 month before spring practice began. THen he had to focus on having a productive spring all the while trying to get some traction on the 2011 class.

He is doing a pretty damn good job so far on this 2011 class if you ask me. He has done everything you can ask. He has kept us in the mix (top 3-5) of most every recruit we could ask for, and he's got most of them on campus a couple of times.

Now was this a big mistake? Yes. But is it a mistake that is unforgivable or a sign that he lacks the ability to recruit successfully at Tennessee? Hell no.

If you are seeing things like this happen after this month of evaluation then you need to start worrying. This month is really the first time this staff has had the focus 100% on the 2011 recruiting class, and I think you will see us come out of this with a determined focus and resolve to kick some ass over the summer at our camps recruiting these kids.

All in all, I have a feeling if we go evaluate Thurman, bring him to a camp and offer him he will be ours in the end anyway...so chillax!
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Great Post man. :good!: :clapping:

All this negativity is really uncalled for. We will be fine in the long run. Anyone that thinks we will pull off a Top 10 class this year is just dreaming. Not enough time and too much uncertainty for the kids IMO. I expect CDD will do well, but not what most on here will want and the b*tching will get worse. If he does pull off a Top 10 class, he will be my hero.

Many on here just need to chill out, have a cold one, and let OUR coaches do their job!


GBO!!!!!!
 
#43
#43
VOLsince68 said:
Great Post man. :good!: :clapping:

All this negativity is really uncalled for. We will be fine in the long run. Anyone that thinks we will pull off a Top 10 class this year is just dreaming. Not enough time and too much uncertainty for the kids IMO. I expect CDD will do well, but not what most on here will want and the b*tching will get worse. If he does pull off a Top 10 class, he will be my hero.

Many on here just need to chill out, have a cold one, and let OUR coaches do their job!


GBO!!!!!!
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Thank you sir:hi:

Though I have to disagree, I feel we will have a great class...everyone will be pleasently suprised come February.
 
#44
#44
Ericvol2096 said:
Guys, I don't agree with Eric that this doesn't fall on the coaches at all, but we really are going to be fine. I do believe that the coaches may be behind a little on the 2011 class and that is understandable. Think about it. Dooley came into a sh*t storm and had 3 weeks to close out the 2010 class, then he had to focus on his team and his football office organization. He had to get the know the players, hire his staff, figure out who would prepare what for spring practice, ect, ect all in 1 month before spring practice began. THen he had to focus on having a productive spring all the while trying to get some traction on the 2011 class.

He is doing a pretty damn good job so far on this 2011 class if you ask me. He has done everything you can ask. He has kept us in the mix (top 3-5) of most every recruit we could ask for, and he's got most of them on campus a couple of times.

Now was this a big mistake? Yes. But is it a mistake that is unforgivable or a sign that he lacks the ability to recruit successfully at Tennessee? Hell no.

If you are seeing things like this happen after this month of evaluation then you need to start worrying. This month is really the first time this staff has had the focus 100% on the 2011 recruiting class, and I think you will see us come out of this with a determined focus and resolve to kick some ass over the summer at our camps recruiting these kids.

All in all, I have a feeling if we go evaluate Thurman, bring him to a camp and offer him he will be ours in the end anyway...so chillax!
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Great Post. If there was a "thanks" button it would be pushed several times over.

Lets see how the class is taking shape leading up to the fall at the end of the summer before we start to freak.

Go Vols.
 
#45
#45
wow, its turned into politics. If your a republican , u must hate everything that democrats stand for and vice versa. If you were a LK guy, u have to hate everything that DD stands for and vice versa. I fall somewhere in the middle and i think alot of people are taking the wait and see approach. Just because someone has an issue with the current coaching staff dropping the ball with a recruit doesnt make them a DD hater or less of a fan. IMO
 
#46
#46
smokeybone21 said:
wow, its turned into politics. If your a republican , u must hate everything that democrats stand for and vice versa. If you were a LK guy, u have to hate everything that DD stands for and vice versa. I fall somewhere in the middle and i think alot of people are taking the wait and see approach. Just because someone has an issue with the current coaching staff dropping the ball with a recruit doesnt make them a DD hater or less of a fan. IMO
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Not true, I was a very big LK supporter and I am not a DD basher...I am what I like to call and educated, level-headed fan.
 
#47
#47
Ericvol2096 said:
Not true, I was a very big LK supporter and I am not a DD basher...I am what I like to call and educated, level-headed fan.
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Agreed. I think the people who are Dooley bashers, as a general rule, are the ones who wish LK were still here, not the ones who supported him while he was here.
 
#48
#48
Incipient said:
Agreed. I think the people who are Dooley bashers, as a general rule, are the ones who wish LK were still here, not the ones who supported him while he was here.
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In the same vain, I believe the Dooley lovers are so full of vitriol for LK that any critique of DD is seen as a personal attack.
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#49
#49
This should not happen period you can blame this or that but its the second obvious time this has happened.

Its bs a player this interested like Maclain was would probably commit on there visit which is supposedly what we need some momentum for the class.

If Florida and Penn State offered where is our offer and being turned away at the gate how humiliating is that for the kid and his dad luckily they are die hard vol fans and this might be overcome.
 
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