We are behind on this current class....

#53
#53
Smokeybluetick said:
:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

Oh.lets see! Maybe he was forming relationships with the current squad, or maybe running spring practice, getting to know his assistants and their coaching styles. I honestly don't think CDD gives a Crap if you buy or not!!!!!
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If you're losing track of recruits (whether it's Dooley himself or a lowly GA), then the system you've got didn't work... at least on one occasion (and this isn't the first mixup we've heard about). The bottom line is that recruiting is king in the SEC, and he messed it up on this one. I don't understand how any rational person could blame Kiffin for something that happened in APRIL. If this happened in mid February or something, OK. But, not 3 months later.
 
#55
#55
Volfan8282 said:
If you're losing track of recruits (whether it's Dooley himself or a lowly GA), then the system you've got didn't work... at least on one occasion (and this isn't the first mixup we've heard about). The bottom line is that recruiting is king in the SEC, and he messed it up on this one. I don't understand how any rational person could blame Kiffin for something that happened in APRIL. If this happened in mid February or something, OK. But, not 3 months later.
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It might be kind of hard to know about a recruit that the OLD staff was recruiting when some moles were left behind to steal recruit info....
 
#56
#56
tripper said:
In the same vain, I believe the Dooley lovers are so full of vitriol for LK that any critique of DD is seen as a personal attack.
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It's not about personal attacks, it's about realizing that the last staff made mistakes as well, but NONE of them were made public except the secondary violations. It seems like people are just ready to fry CDD for something as small as this, but some are not quick to praise him when he does something right.

Mistakes happen in every recruiting office, and I'm sure there are plenty bigger and smaller than this, but that's no reason to jump to conclusions or try to chastise the coaches on a public forum. The kid accepted the apology, he still wants to be recruited here, and we are going to visit his school this Spring. This isn't even the big issue most have made it out to be. I still don't understand WHY if he did go to the prospect gate, that someone wouldn't have enough common sense to go find someone that could get him in or figure out who he is. That doesn't make ANY sense to me at all, but that's just me. I guess that bothers me more than anything, and it's obviously being worked out, so it's not an issue anymore either.

The coaches are working hard, and some of the administrative staff are obviously trying to get on the same page as CDD, so when things like this happen, please don't automatically be willing to string up CDD because of it. It makes fans, who know nothing about what goes on in a recruiting office, look worse by trying to draw bad conclusions, than it does on CDD when he came into a terrible situation to start out with.
 
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#57
#57
RoanokeVol said:
People are trying really hard to not like DD.
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Somewhat yes, and it seems as if some just want some fodder to work with later if things don't work out. Hey, if they don't work out, then they don't work out. No fodder needed, and we move on as a school and a football program. Really simple. We will be fine though.
 
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#58
Volfan8282 said:
If you're losing track of recruits (whether it's Dooley himself or a lowly GA), then the system you've got didn't work... at least on one occasion (and this isn't the first mixup we've heard about). The bottom line is that recruiting is king in the SEC, and he messed it up on this one. I don't understand how any rational person could blame Kiffin for something that happened in APRIL. If this happened in mid February or something, OK. But, not 3 months later.
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Yes, the system we have didn't work on at least one occasion. If they say it was a clerical error by a non-football person, I tend to forgive that. Those things happen, just make sure it doesn't happen again. Also agree that it's not Kiffin's fault. However, you and others have said that this has happened multiple times now. Unless you're just complaining about the pace of their work (which has been beaten to death and is nothing like what happened here), what's example #2?
 
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#59
Volfan8282 said:
If you're losing track of recruits (whether it's Dooley himself or a lowly GA), then the system you've got didn't work... at least on one occasion (and this isn't the first mixup we've heard about). The bottom line is that recruiting is king in the SEC, and he messed it up on this one. I don't understand how any rational person could blame Kiffin for something that happened in APRIL. If this happened in mid February or something, OK. But, not 3 months later.
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Look, Dooley can't be everywhere at once, and the GA's don't handle things like this either. It's the administrative staff in the office that handles this. I'm sure that Dooley has had that, "Don't screw up again" conversation, so it's not even an issue at this point.
 
#60
#60
The disorganization extended to the Orange & White game when the only ticket outlet became angry with the large crowd that gathered to purchase tickets and in a fit of anger closed the ticket office and told every one to go on in without a ticket. This was much to the dismay of security who also gave up and just let anyone pass while they stood by nodding their head.
 
#61
#61
you're blaming O&W game ticket failures on CDD too? Man I hope you don't have to wait in line at the bathroom or concession stands this year or you'll truly hate him
 
#62
#62
BasketvolsFan said:
The disorganization extended to the Orange & White game when the only ticket outlet became angry with the large crowd that gathered to purchase tickets and in a fit of anger closed the ticket office and told every one to go on in without a ticket. This was much to the dismay of security who also gave up and just let anyone pass while they stood by nodding their head.
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Wow. That's crazy (although obviously not the fault of DD and the staff).
 
#63
#63
BasketvolsFan said:
The disorganization extended to the Orange & White game when the only ticket outlet became angry with the large crowd that gathered to purchase tickets and in a fit of anger closed the ticket office and told every one to go on in without a ticket. This was much to the dismay of security who also gave up and just let anyone pass while they stood by nodding their head.
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People getting mad because they didn't have to pay $5 like I did for a ticket. That's funny. People have ZERO patience in this day and age.
 
#64
#64
Incipient said:
Yes, the system we have didn't work on at least one occasion. If they say it was a clerical error by a non-football person, I tend to forgive that. Those things happen, just make sure it doesn't happen again. Also agree that it's not Kiffin's fault. However, you and others have said that this has happened multiple times now. Unless you're just complaining about the pace of their work (which has been beaten to death and is nothing like what happened here), what's example #2?
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Maclain was the other guy I was thinking of. I don't know the complete details of that though.
 
#66
#66
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Look, Dooley can't be everywhere at once, and the GA's don't handle things like this either. It's the administrative staff in the office that handles this. I'm sure that Dooley has had that, "Don't screw up again" conversation, so it's not even an issue at this point.
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But, let's still blame Kiffin right?
 
#67
#67
Volfan8282 said:
Maclain was the other guy I was thinking of. I don't know the complete details of that though.
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Maclain was looking for a reason to decommit. His coach screwed the pooch, not CDD. His coach didn't relay messages to Maclain's family. Maclain said that he wasn't going to do anything about his commitment until after he met with CDD at our Junior Day, which he didn't even wait for. So, these prospects are about fickle bro, don't listen to or hang on every word they say. I made that mistake two years ago, the last year Fulmer was here.
 
#68
#68
Volfan8282 said:
But, let's still blame Kiffin right?
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He left will ALL the info that he and his coaches gathered up to that point, on ALL prospects in the 2011 and 2012 classes. Dooley has to start fresh. Kiffin leaving at the time he did, screwed us beyond a reasonable doubt. If you can't rationalize that in your head, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
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#69
g8terh8ter_eric said:
He left will ALL the info that he and his coaches gathered up to that point, on ALL prospects in the 2011 and 2012 classes. Dooley has to start fresh. Kiffin leaving at the time he did, screwed us beyond a reasonable doubt. If you can't rationalize that in your head, then I don't know what to tell you.
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Yeah, how dare Kiffin take his information with him... the scoundrel! You're definitely the one rationalizing stuff bud. Thompson and Chaney were both still on staff. There's no way that they didn't know about the guys that Kiffin had on his radar, and the guys who were interested in UT.
 
#70
#70
g8terh8ter_eric said:
Maclain was looking for a reason to decommit. His coach screwed the pooch, not CDD. His coach didn't relay messages to Maclain's family. Maclain said that he wasn't going to do anything about his commitment until after he met with CDD at our Junior Day, which he didn't even wait for. So, these prospects are about fickle bro, don't listen to or hang on every word they say. I made that mistake two years ago, the last year Fulmer was here.
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Weren't there reports though that Dooley and Co. had not been in contact with him?
 
#71
#71
g8terh8ter_eric said:
He left will ALL the info that he and his coaches gathered up to that point, on ALL prospects in the 2011 and 2012 classes. Dooley has to start fresh. Kiffin leaving at the time he did, screwed us beyond a reasonable doubt. If you can't rationalize that in your head, then I don't know what to tell you.
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This is an explanation for generally being behind, but it's not an explanation for this particular instance. Don't know what you've claimed, so I'm not disagreeing with you, just saying.
 
#72
#72
Volfan8282 said:
Yeah, how dare Kiffin take his information with him... the scoundrel! You're definitely the one rationalizing stuff bud. Thompson and Chaney were both still on staff. There's no way that they didn't know about the guys that Kiffin had on his radar, and the guys who were interested in UT.
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Two coaches can't completely catch up an entire staff on what is going on for a class that is going to see an entirely different coaching staff, save the two you mentioned. They aren't superhuman, like some of you think.
 
#73
#73
utvolpj said:
you're blaming O&W game ticket failures on CDD too? Man I hope you don't have to wait in line at the bathroom or concession stands this year or you'll truly hate him
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For planning purposes, by midseason, I'm expecting a short line which will go well with a need for increased consumption. :p
 
#74
#74
Volfan8282 said:
Yeah, how dare Kiffin take his information with him... the scoundrel! You're definitely the one rationalizing stuff bud. Thompson and Chaney were both still on staff. There's no way that they didn't know about the guys that Kiffin had on his radar, and the guys who were interested in UT.
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when I leave my job I'm not allowed to take my stuff with me. It is property of my employer
 
#75
#75
Volfan8282 said:
Weren't there reports though that Dooley and Co. had not been in contact with him?
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Yeah, but they contacted Maclain's coach to let him know what was going on and that they were getting things in order. So, those reports weren't entirely accurate. Maclain's coach dropped the ball at first, and Maclain just wanted a reason to look around.
 
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