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I agree it does not look good that the kid was not recognized. However, the main question in the end is, will it hurt us. I don't think based on the things I have read that the kid would be a great loss in spite of his size and UT pedigree. Time will tell. As for DD's organizational skills I have been told by my son who is working on his doctorate at La Tech that Dooley believes in shorter lines of communication. The people he has spoken with tell him that Dooley likes this because it shortens the decision making cycle and moves him closer to everything that happens. With that said I have also heard from friends with some but not necessarily inside information that Dooley thinks the recruiting office is over populated and this causes confusion. I was also told that he is in the process of walking the 'minefield' of reassigning or cutting staff in that area and reorganizing the entire football operation. I can't guarantee any of this info but at least it is food for thought and discussion.
 
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tnbear66 said:
I agree it does not look good that the kid was not recognized. However, the main question in the end is, will it hurt us. I don't think based on the things I have read that the kid would be a great loss in spite of his size and UT pedigree. Time will tell. As for DD's organizational skills I have been told by my son who is working on his doctorate at La Tech that Dooley believes in shorter lines of communication. The people he has spoken with tell him that Dooley likes this because it shortens the decision making cycle and moves him closer to everything that happens. With that said I have also heard from friends with some but not necessarily inside information that Dooley thinks the recruiting office is over populated and this causes confusion. I was also told that he is in the process of walking the 'minefield' of reassigning or cutting staff in that area and reorganizing the entire football operation. I can't guarantee any of this info but at least it is food for thought and discussion.
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Good stuff. Post often. :hi:
 
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#178
g8terh8ter_eric said:
A recruiting error or secondary violation, which one speaks to the masses that what we are doing maybe right or wrong?? People are just looking for any news that is coming from The Hill, and they are going to react accordingly. Sure, someone dropped the ball, but I think there is not enough info to know who did, but Coach Hiestand did the right thing in calling to apologize. Time to move on from here.
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I loved the secondaries because at least I knew the coaches were working their butts off to gain any advantage they could. I'm not saying Dooley isn't working hard, but he also needs to be working smart.

BTW, I love the new media policy. I know there is more than one way to skin a cat.
 
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#179
A negavol is someone who assumes the worst and treats it as reality before it actually occurs.

If you don't think it is likely that DD will succeed that's fine. If you've already decided he won't... that's very foolish.
 
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#180
Some of these that say DD will not succeed are some of the same ones that said Kiffin would be here for a long time
 
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Lord Vader said:
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Hey that's Michael before he turned into zombie twin of Dianna.
 
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utmba93 said:
Assuming the new NegaVol is defined by those who doubt Dooley can win championships in the SEC (standard is every 3 years as I recall), let me start the list:

1) utmba93
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Add me to the list too.

I'm definitely willing to give Dooley a chance and I understand the situation he inherited, but based on his previous record at La Tech and the obvious ball drops in recruiting over the last few months...how can't people realistically be at least a little bit skeptical?

Does he realize the importance of recruiting to be successful in this conference? Clearly they are having some issues with being organized at this point when it comes to recruiting, but then I hear from a few people that he recently cut out some of the support staff.

Why no real communication with Jabriel Washington for all these months and then all of a sudden after he makes his college choice they go for a visit and say they are going to start recruiting him hard...? Strange.
 
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sjt18 said:
A negavol is someone who assumes the worst and treats it as reality before it actually occurs.

If you don't think it is likely that DD will succeed that's fine. If you've already decided he won't... that's very foolish.
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+1
 
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CountVolcula said:
Some of these that say DD will not succeed are some of the same ones that said Kiffin would be here for a long time
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I didn't think Kiffin would be in Knoxville longer than 5 or 6 years, but I was OK with it because I knew he was going to bring in a ton of talent. If the USC job doesn't come open, Tennessee is on track to win the SEC by 2012. Now, that will be pushed back at least 3 more years.
 
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SGMVols said:
I didn't think Kiffin would be in Knoxville longer than 5 or 6 years, but I was OK with it because I knew he was going to bring in a ton of talent. If the USC job doesn't come open, Tennessee is on track to win the SEC by 2012. Now, that will be pushed back at least 3 more years.
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To bad he didn't stay. I don't fault him for leaving at all. However, in the grand scheme of things, he didn't do jack shiz for Tennessee. That's what amazes me about all these "Kiffis iz teh greatest, Fight On Trogans" fans.
 
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chavisut said:
To bad he didn't stay. I don't fault him for leaving at all. However, in the grand scheme of things, he didn't do jack shiz for Tennessee. That's what amazes me about all these "Kiffis iz teh greatest, Fight On Trogans" fans.
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Right on! 7-6 is below Fulmer standards.
 
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In the time Kiffin was here, he did more harm than good. Bottom line. We were forced to take a big risk on Dooley since little monkey boy decided to abandon this challenge after one year and head west. Recruits are wondering about the program's stability right now. We only went 7-6 last year, he was no savior yet.
 
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lylsmorr said:
In the time Kiffin was here, he did more harm than good. Bottom line. We were forced to take a big risk on Dooley since little monkey boy decided to abandon this challenge after one year and head west. Recruits are wondering about the program's stability right now. We only went 7-6 last year, he was no savior yet.
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Exactly. These people that are following Kiffin to USC baffles me. He hurt Tennessee more than help.
 
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sjt18 said:
A negavol is someone who assumes the worst and treats it as reality before it actually occurs.

If you don't think it is likely that DD will succeed that's fine. If you've already decided he won't... that's very foolish.
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I don't treat Dooley failing as reality. I hope he succeeds way beyond my expectations.

I'm just preparing for the worst.

CountVolcula said:
Some of these that say DD will not succeed are some of the same ones that said Kiffin would be here for a long time
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I thought Kiffin would stay here 3 to 5 years before another NFL team or the Trojans would come calling. Well, it was only one. Oh well. I bear no ill will towards the man nor do I talk about the great things he did. He wasn't here long enough to do too much
 
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chavisut said:
Exactly. These people that are following Kiffin to USC baffles me. He hurt Tennessee more than help.
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Let them follow him. I enjoyed his one year tenure. It's now over.

What kills me are the people that screamed "Get on the Lane Train whooooooo"! and now say he isn't a good coach.
 
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justingroves said:
I don't treat Dooley failing as reality. I hope he succeeds way beyond my expectations.

I'm just preparing for the worst.



I thought Kiffin would stay here 3 to 5 years before another NFL team or the Trojans would come calling. Well, it was only one. Oh well. I bear no ill will towards the man nor do I talk about the great things he did. He wasn't here long enough to do too much
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Exactly, he was brought here to turn the program around. He got his dream job much sooner than expected and chose to leave, the time he spent here isn't enough to judge his success or failure as a coach at UT.

I have some reservations about CDD, I neither like nor dislike him, I hope he exceeds my expectations.
 
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sjt18 said:
A negavol is someone who assumes the worst and treats it as reality before it actually occurs.

If you don't think it is likely that DD will succeed that's fine. If you've already decided he won't... that's very foolish.
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I agree 100% with this.
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lylsmorr said:
In the time Kiffin was here, he did more harm than good. Bottom line. We were forced to take a big risk on Dooley since little monkey boy decided to abandon this challenge after one year and head west. Recruits are wondering about the program's stability right now. We only went 7-6 last year, he was no savior yet.
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chavisut said:
Exactly. These people that are following Kiffin to USC baffles me. He hurt Tennessee more than help.
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Agreed...any good that Kiffin did while here was negated by how and when he left...and some of his subsequent actions...

UT "fans" that defend him baffle me...of course, most of the time they defend him by talking about what he was going to do...which is funny seeing as how Kiffin has parlayed "going to" into a pretty successful career so far
 
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thunder5 said:
UT "fans" that defend him baffle me...of course, most of the time they defend him by talking about what he was going to do...which is funny seeing as how Kiffin has parlayed "going to" into a pretty successful career so far
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Yet people are using the exact same argument to defend the Dooley hire.
 
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SGMVols said:
Yet people are using the exact same argument to defend the Dooley hire.
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I think you're missing a distinction between defenses. The arguments used to defend Kiffin's ability that were used last year are being used to defend Dooley. The arguments saying that Kiffin's tenure actually did benefit Tennessee and that we're better for having had him are an entirely different story.
 
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SGMVols said:
Yet people are using the exact same argument to defend the Dooley hire.
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Incipient said:
I think you're missing a distinction between defenses. The arguments used to defend Kiffin's ability that were used last year are being used to defend Dooley. The arguments saying that Kiffin's tenure actually did benefit Tennessee and that we're better for having had him is an entirely different story.
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Well said Incipient...

I can accept potential as a reason for a hire...as I have with Kiffin and now Dooley...but to use what might have been as an argumet in defense of a guy who stuck it to your favorite team is utterly ridiculous...
 
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#200
I do not think there is any question FLK set the program back. His staff helped him win some games the talent maybe should not have and we were in games we had no business being in, but a lot of that is due to Monte's defense.

Coaching is more than just the product you put on the field. Sure, you are measured ultimately by wins and losses, but you cannot judge results in the short term. A sustainable success is what is required and often so difficult to achieve in a conference such as ours. I do not think what success FLK and co had was sustainable. There is no doubt he was successful in recruiting, but many of those guys were risks that other schools were not willing to take.
 
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