We need a quarterback!!!!!

[UT4EVER]

5150 = NEGAVOL. There is no reason to waist your time attempting a rational discussion because it's not going to happen.... He is not going to acknowledge any logic and will just continue to try and beat you down to his negative thinking, as always.

 

[Vols5150]

5150,

What's up dude, long time no see.

I did not see a FR. QB coming and playing this year, with Phil or Lane. Next year is a must for QB, not this year.

Hey Beech. Hope you had a Merry Christmas.

I'm not saying the "potential" QB would start in '09, I'm saying that not recruiting a QB is a pretty big deal, and for him to state otherwise is sheer b.s. We need a QB now, and if he were the man many claim him to be, he should get it done......but he won't.

 

[Vols5150]

5150 = NEGAVOL. There is no reason to waist your time attempting a rational discussion because it's not going to happen.... He is not going to acknowledge any logic and will just continue to try and beat you down to his negative thinking, as always.

Actually, I think my position is much more positive than yours when it comes to the program as a whole. I believe UT is more (or just as) capable of getting top level coaches than any other program in the country. You, however, accept the fact that we had to "settle" for an unproven, untested rookie.

 

[kptvol]

Actually, I think my position is much more positive than yours when it comes to the program as a whole. I believe UT is more (or just as) capable of getting top level coaches than any other program in the country. You, however, accept the fact that we had to "settle" for an unproven, untested rookie.

We didn't settle for anything. Your evaluation of Kiffin isn't in line with the evaluations of the ADs making coaching hires.

 

[GmanTN]

Actually, I think my position is much more positive than yours when it comes to the program as a whole. I believe UT is more (or just as) capable of getting top level coaches than any other program in the country. You, however, accept the fact that we had to "settle" for an unproven, untested rookie.

Name your coaching candidates 5150 I have asked you numerous times to do so but you choose to spin things around. I really want to know who you thought we should have hired. You think you have all the right answers so c'mon 5150 name the coaches you thought we could have hired instead of Kiffin.

BTW your boy Phil was untested and unproven when he was hired so was General Neyland, Doug Dickey and Bill Battle. So c'mon Bullwinkle give me your list of coaches that we should have hired.

 

[Bryan1]

Hey Beech. Hope you had a Merry Christmas.

I'm not saying the "potential" QB would start in '09, I'm saying that not recruiting a QB is a pretty big deal, and for him to state otherwise is sheer b.s. We need a QB now, and if he were the man many claim him to be, he should get it done......but he won't.

Fulmer couldnt get it done...............now he is gone!

 

[BeecherVol]

Hey Beech. Hope you had a Merry Christmas.

I'm not saying the "potential" QB would start in '09, I'm saying that not recruiting a QB is a pretty big deal, and for him to state otherwise is sheer b.s. We need a QB now, and if he were the man many claim him to be, he should get it done......but he won't.

I had a Great Christmas, hope U did as well.

QB is the spot in which you have to recruit what you need down to the T.
If other players(positions) don't work out for what you recruited them for, you try them out at another position. QB is hard to that.

If you can't get what you want at QB, spend that scholly on something else this year.

 

[Sabanocchio]

Name your coaching candidates 5150 I have asked you numerous times to do so but you choose to spin things around. I really want to know who you thought we should have hired. You think you have all the right answers so c'mon 5150 name the coaches you thought we could have hired instead of Kiffin.

BTW your boy Phil was untested and unproven when he was hired so was General Neyland, Doug Dickey and Bill Battle. So c'mon Bullwinkle give me your list of coaches that we should have hired.

I think he has said Cowher, Gruden, or Davis. None of which was an option to us.

 

[Vols5150]

Name your coaching candidates 5150 I have asked you numerous times to do so but you choose to spin things around.

I'm not sure where you've been. I've answered this at least 100 x. Davis was a possibility if we were willing to give him what he wanted. But if you take a look at the landscape, many many other qualified coaches were possibilities. Hammy just decided to go cheap. He wanted a coach he could control, and thats what he got.

BTW your boy Phil was untested and unproven when he was hired so was General Neyland, Doug Dickey and Bill Battle.

The SEC was a little different back then. You didn't have to go head to head with the likes of these guys:

Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime

 

[Sabanocchio]

I'm not sure where you've been. I've answered this at least 100 x. Davis was a possibility if we were willing to give him what he wanted. But if you take a look at the landscape, many many other qualified coaches were possibilities. Hammy just decided to go cheap. He wanted a coach he could control, and thats what he got.



The SEC was a little different back then. You didn't have to go head to head with the likes of these guys:

Meyer – 4 Conf Champ, 1 (maybe 2) NC, 82-17 lifetime
Saban – 3 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 110-49-1 lifetime
Richt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 81-22 lifetime
Petrino – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 46-16 lifetime
Spurrier – 7 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 170-61-2 lifetime
Nutt – 2 Conf Champ, 0 NC, 119-74 lifetime
Miles - 1 Conf Champ, 1 NC, 69-31 lifetime

A coach he could control? Are you serious? Do you know anything about UT football? Where in the heck did you come up with that? Dude, you are waaaay off here. We had no shot at Davis - nor would we want him. He doesn't want to play in the SEC so I don't want him as my coach. Who are these other guys who were more qualified? Who would have done a better job recruiting than Kiffin has/will do? Who would have brought in better assistant coaches? WHO IS THIS GUY THAT YOU WANTED BUT WE DID NOT GET?

 

[kptvol]

many many other qualified coaches were possibilities.

Such as...

 

[vols_fan_68]

Back in 99 im sure there were a few nega-trojans that disputed the hiring of some dude name pete carroll, who had no prior college HC experience, (turned the nega into happy), & LK played a big roll in that success... IMO i think we hired the best guy available, anyone who wants to be negative at this point needs to watch re-runs from days past and not move forward. stay nega-vol, yea !!!

 

[NYYVol]

I'm not sure where you've been. I've answered this at least 100 x. Davis was a possibility if we were willing to give him what he wanted. But if you take a look at the landscape, many many other qualified coaches were possibilities. Hammy just decided to go cheap. He wanted a coach he could control, and thats what he got.



5150- It is better to sit idly by and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and eliminate all doubt.

You sir have opened your mouth...
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[RCKYT0P]

.....but it appears LK disagrees:

Kiffin said last week. “But we may not take a quarterback in this class, and I’m OK with that. I don’t want to take a quarterback that’s going to come in here and not meet our expectation level for what we’re looking at."

The question is........If Kiffin were the "great offensive mind" and "top-shelf recruiter" that many claim him to be........why can't we even get a "mediocre" QB to sign? Is the LK image we've "built" not consistent with the perception of all the recruits out there?

Isn't he also suppose to be great at "developing players" so that they live up to the "expectation level"?


:unsure:

I think that is what we currently have....mediocre. I think we will be ok, we may have to live with these guys for 2 more years. Unless a stud signs next year and starts as a freshman.

He may be able to develop any of the 3 here so the get us through at least one season....if not more.

I'm not convinced that you are even a Vol fan. Fulmer fan yes...Vol fan not so much.

Why bring in a QB that does not fit your system? So he can complain out loud about not getting to play?
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I was/am a Fulmer fan. I still think CLK is going to lead us in the right direction

We have a 5 star QB on our roster. Apparently Kiffin sees something he thinks he can work with.

Crompton I am sure was a 4 or 5...Coleman, I think, was the best in the state, and Stephens is from Texas...aren't they all good out of Texas?

I guess what I am saying, the ones we have could all be decent.

If Kiffin brings in "his" QB in next year's recruiting class, we'll have a true freshman QB navigating a nasty SEC schedule in 2010. Based on Kiffin's recruiting plan, 2011 is when we should realistically expect to have a game ready QB (when "his" guy is a sophomore). Kiffin might not be around too long if that's the plan since 2011 will be his 3rd year. VolNation isn't a patient bunch of folks.

So true!

He will get more out of them in the first week than Clawson did in his entire time here...
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agreed

..right on cue:

Love Vols = Love Kiffin.

I don't think so.

Regardless of the "logic" you might be spewing, if LK doesn't get a QB in the next couple of years, you won't be loving him either. We need a QB now, and for him to say "it's not important" or to insinuate that it isn't a top priority is B.S.

Sounds to me like he is already lowering expectations for the incoming recruiting class.

Nega-Vol

Give CLK a chance

It is highly likely that we will have a poor season next year (we're probably looking at 6-6, at best). How many top-rated QB's do you think will be lining up to play for LK?

The truth of the matter is (and no matter how unfair it is), THIS CLASS IS MAKE OR BREAK, and it is probably the most important class LK will ever recruit at UT. No matter what you say, he doesn't have time to recruit a great QB next yr and then spend another 2 years developing him. He will be gone by then.

LK needs to "catch a clue", as you so eloquently put it.

CLK is not truly recruiting this incoming class. I think he has only been here about a month. Most big commits have already committed (verbally , of course). They recruits that have committed to UT were under Fulmer. CLK is going to run a different offense. He is having to try and "steal" recruits.

Give the guy a chance! Heck, at least let him coach his first game....he has not even had a practice yet

Hey Phil, Vicky called and she has you a dozen fresh doughnuts (jelly filled). You have to be one of the biggest Fulmer lovin Kiffin Bashin posters on here. You Posivol and Admiral Scott could add your football IQ's together and still post nonsense. You are not capable of letting Fulmer go and realize what you thought you knew about football from Fulmer, is not what the winning programs in the country do.

Am I saying Kiffin will take us to higher ground? no. Do I feel he is capable of taking us to higher ground? yes

Your boy Phil is gone!! get over it or find a new team. Oh wait you can't because your hero Phil can't buy a job in coaching. Don't you find it humbling that your hero was not contacted by any college with all the vacancies this year. I actually feel sorry for you that your so brainwashed by a phony. Cutcliffe had more to do with Fulmers record then Fulmer ever did.

Link?

That's is funny!!!!!! :clapping:

PF is old news, I just wanted us to hire a championship caliber coach....not someone who has to use training wheels. Maybe after a couple of yrs daddy Monte can take those wheels off.

And these championship caliber coaches you speak of are???

Leach?
Peterson? done well in the WAC
Kelly? possibly - IMO, probably should have been the choice....although I am happy to have CLK
Gruden? lol
Cowher? lol
Lovie Smith?

Who should UT have gotten?

Just tell me what to base that faith on (something real, not "feelings") and I may convert.

Southern California....I think he did well there

This class is not the make or break class for Kiffin. If any class is, its next years.

I think you are correct....next year is definitely MUCH bigger than this years.

lane has had 1 month on the job and every bg time qb has been committed to their school for longer then 2 or 3 months if not longer by the time he was hired and we had boyd commited so no qb were even thinking bout us for awile so thats why we wont get a qb this class and wait till next class...kiffin has already imressed me with his recruiting so far...u fulmer fans need to leave this site

Why do much hate for CPF fans? I was/am a CPF fan. I also am a CLK fan...CPF is no longer the coach @ UTK...but I still liked the man! I am a VOL fan....regardless of coach!

And I am going nowhere!

5150 = NEGAVOL. There is no reason to waist your time attempting a rational discussion because it's not going to happen.... He is not going to acknowledge any logic and will just continue to try and beat you down to his negative thinking, as always.

:lolabove:

 

[VolinArizona]

I agree totally. Everyone assumes LK knows what he is doing. I'm not so sure.

Some jabroni on a message board is passing judgment on a coach after a month on the job ... love it.

 

[volger]

Name your coaching candidates 5150 I have asked you numerous times to do so but you choose to spin things around. I really want to know who you thought we should have hired. You think you have all the right answers so c'mon 5150 name the coaches you thought we could have hired instead of Kiffin.

BTW your boy Phil was untested and unproven when he was hired so was General Neyland, Doug Dickey and Bill Battle. So c'mon Bullwinkle give me your list of coaches that we should have hired.

I'm not big on name calling but damn! lol:
And Fiddy, if you think throwing monopoly money at a coaching staff or having to pay out the chosen ones buyout right now instead of 4 easy payments like PF's controling. Me and you have dif ideas of what controling is.

 

[Vols5150]

5150- It is better to sit idly by and be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and eliminate all doubt.
You sir have opened your mouth...
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We've got a coach that doesn't think it's "that important" to recruit a quality QB this year, and you think I'm the fool? That's pretty funny. We'll see what you think this time next year.

 

[Vols5150]

:lolabove:

:lolabove:

 

[Vols5150]

And these championship caliber coaches you speak of are???

Leach?
Peterson? done well in the WAC
Kelly? possibly - IMO, probably should have been the choice....although I am happy to have CLK
Gruden? lol
Cowher? lol
Lovie Smith?

Who should UT have gotten?

Anyone of those would have been a much better choice than LK. It's pretty sad when Cincy & TCU have a far superior HC than UT.

 

[RCKYT0P]

Anyone of those would have been a much better choice than LK. It's pretty sad when Cincy & TCU have a far superior HC than UT.

How do you know Cincy and TCU have superior coaches? CLK has not even had a practice yet.

IMO, Kelly is the only one that list that we could have possibly had and MAY have been better.

 

[bburger991]

We've got a coach that doesn't think it's "that important" to recruit a quality QB this year, and you think I'm the fool? That's pretty funny. We'll see what you think this time next year.

Uh, what quality QB can we recruit?
Ok, we had an awful guy out of Texas who ran the spread I believe, and Tajh Boyd, a guy who wouldn't fit the system and is most likely going to be at Oregon in the spread or at OSU backing up Pryor, which is also transitioning to a spread.

 

[vols_fan_68]

Anyone of those would have been a much better choice than LK. It's pretty sad when Cincy & TCU have a far superior HC than UT.

Just dont watch them anymore dude !!! ("I cant jump your car off man because all of my post's are negative")

 

[Sabanocchio]

We've got a coach that doesn't think it's "that important" to recruit a quality QB this year, and you think I'm the fool? That's pretty funny. We'll see what you think this time next year.

Don't you think that if a quality QB was there for the taking, Kiffin would be all up on it? It's not like he hasn't tried to get in with some of them. And don't give me this Tajh Boyd crap. He was hit or miss. And the hit wouldn't mesh with what we are trying to do. What he has on campus is far better.

What is it with you? Why do we keep having the same argument over and over? It's like whenever you get bored you decide to start a Kiffin fight!

 

[Vols5150]

It's like whenever you get bored you decide to start a Kiffin fight!

Why it is so hard to believe that not all Vols think LK was a "great hire"? Why is it a "fight" just because I don't agree with you? I'm simply pointing out that I believe LK is wrong in his approach to (not) recruiting a QB.

Sabanocchio, you may believe in LK now, but I hate to break it to you.......hiring him was a mistake. A mistake that will take us yrs to recover from. You will be calling for his head in a year (2 at the most). Then you can find me an apologize.

 

[NYYVol]

We've got a coach that doesn't think it's "that important" to recruit a quality QB this year, and you think I'm the fool? That's pretty funny. We'll see what you think this time next year.

Yes sir, you speak foolish drivel all over this board.

If you think a coach being honest with a player by telling him he won't be happy under his offense is a problem and is bad recruiting you are a fool.

Recruiting is all about relationships.

Let's play pretend for a second...which one can only imagine you do for 16 hours a day when you're not dreaming about Phil in the other 8....

Let's pretend he tells Boyd that he would love for him to come. Boyd gets here and does not sniff the field, and gets angry because he is asked to move to receiver. He complains, slanders CLK and UT...you think for one second that may not ruin a relationship with anyone else that comes out of the Hampton,VA area?

I would venture to imagine that CLK, and Monte, and Layla Kiffin have forgotten more about football than you could ever hope to know.

I am through arguing with a "man" that lays at the feet of a Fulmer statue. And goes off on a one man wrecking crew to slander a coach that hasn't coached a game yet, but yet is building a staff that will make our rivals step back and think. Get a clue clown...
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