What are the "competative disadvantages"

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Lawrence Wright said:
Hart was not talking about academics.

I think he was referring to the availability (or lack thereof) of in-state talent.
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Hart specifically mentioned "academics" in the press conference I listened to when he discussed competitive disadvantages ...
 
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105437 said:
Hart specifically mentioned "academics" in the press conference I listened to when he discussed competitive disadvantages ...
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Then along with several other posters in this thread, I disagree with Hart.

What competitive disadvantage does UT have in comparison to Vanderbilt? Or UGA or UF?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Then along with several other poster in this thread, I disagree with Hart.

What competitive disadvantage does UT have in comparison to Vanderbilt? Or UGA or UF?
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Basically they are saying UT wants their players to have better resume than UF expects of their players.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
What competitive disadvantage does UT have in comparison to Vanderbilt? Or UGA or UF?
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At some point we'll hear in Hart's own words how he feels we are at an academic disadvantage. He stated that we would hear much more about this later. Pretty bold statement by him if he doesn't have the facts to back it up.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Then along with several other poster in this thread, I disagree with Hart.

What competitive disadvantage does UT have in comparison to Vanderbilt? Or UGA or UF?
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A kd that is cleared by the AA may not be addmitted by the university as the academics at UT believe we should be held to a higher standared.
 
#82
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Lawrence Wright said:
During Tennessee's heyday in the 90s, it was much easier to pluck top recruits from Louisiana, Georgia and South Carolina. LSU, UGA and SC were average to below average programs.

Miles, Richt and Spurrier have done a great job of locking down talent within their respective state borders.
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I have been saying this (including on this site) for years and it just doesn't seem to sink in with my fellow Tennessee fans. Florida was the only other dominant program. South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and LSU were either mediocre or flat out bad. Today, each of those programs is a consistent top 15 team (at least).

Look at the great players during the heyday of the late 1990s. Manning, Lewis, Henry, Price, Wilson, etc. How many of them, if they were high school recruits today, would come to Tennessee?
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Travis Henry was admitted to Tennessee. Hart was not talking about academics.

I think he was referring to the availability (or lack thereof) of in-state talent.
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Times are much different now. Henry wouldn't stand a chance of being admitted now as the academic side of UT has dramatically changed the last 10 years. For whatever reason, UT administrators decided to become more stringent than the rest of the conference in admitting players and accepting transfer credits, plus they are dipping into athletic funds more than any other school in the conference.
 
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Unimane said:
Times are much different now. Henry wouldn't stand a chance of being admitted now as the academic side of UT has dramatically changed the last 10 years. For whatever reason, UT administrators decided to become more stringent than the rest of the conference in admitting players and accepting transfer credits, plus they are dipping into athletic funds more than any other school in the conference.
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And that's legitimate as to why we struggle. Coaches who interview with us know these are too much to overcome. They won't risk their reputation on that. So our admin best get off their a$% and give Hart what he needs to get a coach.
 
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Unimane said:
Times are much different now. Henry wouldn't stand a chance of being admitted now as the academic side of UT has dramatically changed the last 10 years. For whatever reason, UT administrators decided to become more stringent than the rest of the conference in admitting players and accepting transfer credits, plus they are dipping into athletic funds more than any other school in the conference.
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So best case UT is now on par with UF in that regard. Bottom line is Travis Henry was a Florida kid (Frostproof) who wanted to attend UF and couldn't get admitted. Tennessee took him.

I can't speak to what proof Hart has, but I'm of the opinion that stronger academic requirements have little to do with UT's recent struggles....especially considering you guys just lost to Vandy, whose requirements are easily the toughest in our conference.
 
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The reason Tennessee is having financial problems is a Bloated budget for Womens Athletics...Example is paying Womens Rowing Coach over 100K - Hart is trying to reign it in but the Womens Supporters would rather gut the Football Program than give up a BS Administrative Womens Position.....95 % of the Womens Administrators could be eliminated and the average Tennessee fan would never notice....
 
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NashvilleFan said:
The reason Tennessee is having financial problems is a Bloated budget for Womens Athletics...Example is paying Womens Rowing Coach over 100K - Hart is trying to reign it in but the Womens Supporters would rather gut the Football Program than give up a BS Administrative Womens Position.....95 % of the Womens Administrators could be eliminated and the average Tennessee fan would never notice....
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Not sure if serious.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
In that case UT is no different than UF, UGA or Vanderbilt.
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Not quite. Think of it like this. Say uf, uga, bama, and lsu, are like rich families, they have all the resources and funding to do well. Ut and Vandy, are like poor familes with just enough resources to get by. Vandy struggled all these years because they couldn't get full classes of top players in a class due to the academics. Ut had lower standards but not talent base, so we could cherry pick players who couldn't g So if their academics areet into all the other schools, but also get 3 and 4 star players from around the country. So for example ay uf the state of florida's talent pool is so high, they may lose a few players but could still get an awesome class of players every year. So it was kind of an evening out process during that time as are government laws that help the poor to get the equal advantage. With what our admin did was basically strip the equal advantage away. That's like laying someone off, taking their unemployment away without any jobs around. Ut screwed itself. So now we're behind the 8 ball. Part of why Fulmer couldn't get ahead and why dd struggled even though he could have coached better. But really with a depleted roster you have to coach perfect. With a stacked roster you don't. Look how many boneheaded decision Les Miles and Will Muschamp make everyweek.
 
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volberry said:
Not quite. Think of it like this. Say uf, uga, bama, and lsu, are like rich families, they have all the resources and funding to do well. Ut and Vandy, are like poor familes with just enough resources to get by. Vandy struggled all these years because they couldn't get full classes of top players in a class due to the academics. Ut had lower standards but not talent base, so we could cherry pick players who couldn't g So if their academics areet into all the other schools, but also get 3 and 4 star players from around the country. So for example ay uf the state of florida's talent pool is so high, they may lose a few players but could still get an awesome class of players every year. So it was kind of an evening out process during that time as are government laws that help the poor to get the equal advantage. With what our admin did was basically strip the equal advantage away. That's like laying someone off, taking their unemployment away without any jobs around. Ut screwed itself. So now we're behind the 8 ball. Part of why Fulmer couldn't get ahead and why dd struggled even though he could have coached better. But really with a depleted roster you have to coach perfect. With a stacked roster you don't. Look how many boneheaded decision Les Miles and Will Muschamp make everyweek.
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Wow....just, wow....
 
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rocket31 said:
lol at hart saying "academics"

stanford and notre dame sure do not use that as an excuse.
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nd had that as an issue until they got kelly a stud coach. standford is in california where a lot of great players are. totally different.
 
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volberry said:
nd had that as an issue until they got kelly a stud coach. standford is in california where a lot of great players are. totally different.
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So which is it, academics or a lack of quality in-state recruits? Sounds like you're playing both sides.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
In that case UT is no different than UF, UGA or Vanderbilt.
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Actually, yes, it is different. UT has, for whatever reason, decided to be more difficult than other schools in the desire to be a top 25 research school within the last decade. The type of classes required and the transfer issues are a major hassle for any UT coach these days. The biggest issue, though, is actually the siphoning of massive amounts of money earned by the athletic program towards academics to the tune of $21 million plus a year.

Fortunately, the issue is being fixed and new policies more in line with other schools in the conference are being reinstated.
 
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Unimane said:
Actually, yes, it is different. UT has, for whatever reason, decided to be more difficult than other schools in the desire to be a top 25 research school within the last decade. The type of classes required and the transfer issues are a major hassle for any UT coach these days. The biggest issue, though, is actually the siphoning of massive amounts of money earned by the athletic program towards academics to the tune of $21 million plus a year.

Fortunately, the issue is being fixed and new policies more in line with other schools in the conference are being reinstated.
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I was responding to jortfree, as both UF and UGA have had kids cleared by the NCAA, but were not admitted to school due to not meeting academic requirements.

As far as the school dipping into the athletic department's coffers, it's common practice in Gainesville for UAA to donate a portion of their profits to UF's academic scholarship fund. In '07 and '09, UAA donated $6M to fund academic programs, and since 1990 that number is quickly approaching $50M in total.

$21M a year sounds like more of a management issue than a football issue. That's ridiculous.
 
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