What are your expectations for Jalen Hurd this year?

[Falcons02]

I really don't think 1000-1100 yards is unreasonable as the #2 back with this system. There's really no excuse for Lane to not hit 1500, we should be able to run outside at will with our TE's and are Reciever Core'ps size and blocking ability.

Just matters if he's the #2 or number 1 or 3 Rb,

I'm not trying to be negative, just coming with the facts. The closest the TEAM TOTAL has been to 2500 rushing yards (within the last few years) is 2418 yards in 2004. For some perspective, last year was our best rushing total since then, and it was 2261 total team rushing yards... and that was with a spotty (being generous) passing attack and calling runs about 57% of the time.

So basically what you're saying is a true freshmen running back who will (most likely) start the season as a backup, is coming off a HS senior year injury that took almost his entire season, and is running behind 5 new starting offensive linemen... a dude with all that against him is going to run for 1000 yards... and that is a reasonable (your word) expectation... just, I don't even. I'm speechless.

 

[Exfix]

Please enlighten us on his history of shoulder injuries.I know of one,his senior year.Did he have more or are you just makeing up something just to post?:crazy:

There was a surgical injury on the same shoulder before that injury. So no, I'm not making stuff up.

 

[Exfix]

pretend whatever you want but it is relevant to the reasons being tossed around as to why he will be injured throughout his career. The injury he sustained was not because of his workload or from repeated hits. It was because someone fell on it while extended in an awkward position. He then shut it down to prepare for college ball. By all accounts it is fine and he performed well during the spring.

I don't think workload has anything to do with it. Two surgeries on the same shoulder for the same problem is a red flag, but go ahead and stick your head in the sand. I hope the kid is injury free and has a great career, but his shoulder is vulnerable.

 

[Vol74]

I don't think workload has anything to do with it. Two surgeries on the same shoulder for the same problem is a red flag, but go ahead and stick your head in the sand. I hope the kid is injury free and has a great career, but his shoulder is vulnerable.

Read my post above. You don't know what you're writing about... trust me.

 

[JohnnyBall]

I really don't think 1000-1100 yards is unreasonable as the #2 back with this system. There's really no excuse for Lane to not hit 1500, we should be able to run outside at will with our TE's and are Reciever Core'ps size and blocking ability.

Just matters if he's the #2 or number 1 or 3 Rb,

Do you seriously think Tennessee is going to average 200 -220 yd/game rushing this year?Which is what 2500ish / 12 comes out to..

God Bless this place.

 

[OrangeIsLife]

4 Heismans
4 NC Trophies
4 SEC POY
School record -Rushing yards
-Points scored
-Tackles
-Assisted Tackles
-KO Ret. Yards
-Punt Ret. Yards
-Student Body Pres.




Other than that, not much. Hell he is only a freshman we need to be realistic around here. Right

You gotta love VN! BOOM!

 

[Exfix]

Hey Brilliant, read my post above. You don't know what you're writing about... trust me.

Bhatia et al in a Cochrane Database review of 10 eligible studies in Arthroscopy Feb 2014 reported up to an 8% rate of recurrent shoulder dislocation after Latarjet and did not comment on subluxation rates which are reported up to 15%. So tell me again, how little I know or did you even understand what I just wrote. And "trust me," 100% of people on this board, including you, know less about the diagnosis and management of shoulder pathology than I do.

 

[Vol74]

Bhatia et al in a Cochrane Database review of 10 eligible studies in Arthroscopy Feb 2014 reported up to an 8% rate of recurrent shoulder dislocation after Latarjet and did not comment on subluxation rates which are reported up to 15%. So tell me again, how little I know or did you even understand what I just wrote. And "trust me," 100% of people on this board, including you, know less about the diagnosis and management of shoulder pathology than I do.

While you attempt to appear intelligent by quoting a study, you look even more like a moron by including the statistic "UP TO AN 8% rate of reoccurrence". So, out of 100 patients who have had a latarjet procedure, UP TO 8 of those 100 patients may have complications?

So, what about the other 92 patients?

The facts are that THIS PROCEDURE IS VERY SUCCESSFUL, and that is from every study you attempt to try reproduce on this board. In addition to the vast rehabilitation and muscle development that he has/has received, that only increases his percentage of success.

 

[KBVol]

I don't think workload has anything to do with it. Two surgeries on the same shoulder for the same problem is a red flag, but go ahead and stick your head in the sand. I hope the kid is injury free and has a great career, but his shoulder is vulnerable.

Iirc, and I'm pretty sure I do, it wasn't 2 surgeries for the same injury. 2 different areas of the same shoulder.

 

[Exfix]

While you attempt to appear intelligent by quoting a study, you look even more like a moron by including the statistic "UP TO AN 8% rate of reoccurrence". So, out of 100 patients who have had a latarjet procedure, UP TO 8 of those 100 patients may have complications?

So, what about the other 92 patients?

The facts are that THIS PROCEDURE IS VERY SUCCESSFUL, and that is from every study you attempt to try reproduce on this board. In addition to the vast rehabilitation and muscle development that he has/has received, that only increases his percentage of success.

Step back from the keyboard and take a breath buddy.

I thought some science was good enough for you but it appears not. You said he would "never" dislocate and his shoulder was "twice as strong." I said he has a vulnerable shoulder. The data would seem to support my conclusion. Also, I never mentioned the laundry list of other complications possible which can result in reoperation. Only ONE of several. Also, feel free to Pubmed numerous articles noting shortened careers among athletes with his condition. He will PROBABLY be fine since he is a running back and not a QB or lineman, but it warrants consideration that he has had two surgeries on the same shoulder.

I have nothing else to add that you would understand, apparently. Hopefully the next time you try to call out someone +\- name calling you will reread all the previous posts. I think everyone on this board hopes for a long, injury free career.

 

[Vol74]

Step back from the keyboard and take a breath buddy.

I thought some science was good enough for you but it appears not. You said he would "never" dislocate and his shoulder was "twice as strong." I said he has a vulnerable shoulder. The data would seem to support my conclusion. Also, I never mentioned the laundry list of other complications possible which can result in reoperation. Only ONE of several. Also, feel free to Pubmed numerous articles noting shortened careers among athletes with his condition. He will PROBABLY be fine since he is a running back and not a QB or lineman, but it warrants consideration that he has had two surgeries on the same shoulder.

I have nothing else to add that you would understand, apparently. Hopefully the next time you try to call out someone +\- name calling you will reread all the previous posts. I think everyone on this board hopes for a long, injury free career.

I respect the fact that you think that you know something, and maybe to some degree, you do. Yet, you do not know about the etiology of Hurd's condition or his current prognosis. Nor do you know the strength of his post-sugical shoulder compared to what it was before surgery or compared to his left shoulder. So, apparently I may just "understand" a little more than you right now.

And by the way, if you choose to quote me, quote me correctly. I never wrote that his shoulder could "never" dislocate again; I wrote that "bones would have to break" in order for that to happen. The likelihood of that happening is not very high - as you know.

 

[SlyStone]

Stay healthy...run hard!!!

 

[Exfix]

I respect the fact that you think that you know something, and maybe to some degree, you do. Yet, you do not know about the etiology of Hurd's condition or his current prognosis. Nor do you know the strength of his post-sugical shoulder compared to what it was before surgery or compared to his left shoulder. So, apparently I may just "understand" a little more than you right now.

And by the way, if you choose to quote me, quote me correctly. I never wrote that his shoulder could "never" dislocate again; I wrote that "bones would have to break" in order for that to happen. The likelihood of that happening is not very high - as you know.

"He has barriers that have been put in place to keep dislocation from ever happening again." Does that mean never?

I am going to assume that 1) you are in the medical field and 2) you are involved in his care in some way. That fact that #2 is true seems to make you very sensitive to the reality that reinjuries can and do happen to surgically treated joints. You need to look no further than Hurd himself to see evidence of that. I really can't waste any more time on this conversation. Also, to get any more in depth may constitute a HIPPA violation. Go Vols.

 

[peewee]

couldn't have said it better.
let the kid play a season then we can have high expectations, if he gives us reason.

Henry at UA was same type of back and had solid year, BUT Henry had a really Good line to run behind. hurd will HAVE to have a really good OL!

People said the same things about Bryce Brown before his freshman year. We all know how that worked out.

People said the same things about Lane before his freshman year. He performed well, but wasn't as awesome as some predicted.

People said the same thing about Devonte Bourque. He was gone in two weeks.

Let's start by having more moderate expectations. Otherwise, some of you guys are always going to be setting yourselves up for disappointment.

 

[johnboyhunter]

New O line. Can't believe this was not mentioned when we are talking about rushing expectations. If Land and Hurd both had 1000 yard year we win 8 or 9.

 

[Vol74]

"He has barriers that have been put in place to keep dislocation from ever happening again." Does that mean never?

I am going to assume that 1) you are in the medical field and 2) you are involved in his care in some way. That fact that #2 is true seems to make you very sensitive to the reality that reinjuries can and do happen to surgically treated joints. You need to look no further than Hurd himself to see evidence of that. I really can't waste any more time on this conversation. Also, to get any more in depth may constitute a HIPPA violation. Go Vols.

He does have barriers that have been put in place to keep dislocation from ever happening again! Will it? If it does, bones will have to break for that to happen. That's pretty straightforward.

I'll tend to be the optimist and lean on the statistics on this one. No, his shoulder is not what he was born with. Fortunately, right now, it's better.

And Go Vols! 😊

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

I expect him to make a trip to the downtown athletic club in December!

 

[ETV]

I hope he just holds on to the football and doesn't develop a sudden case of fumbilitis.

 

[BowlBrother85]

People said the same things about Bryce Brown before his freshman year. We all know how that worked out.

People said the same things about Lane before his freshman year. He performed well, but wasn't as awesome as some predicted.

People said the same thing about Devonte Bourque. He was gone in two weeks.

Let's start by having more moderate expectations. Otherwise, some of you guys are always going to be setting yourselves up for disappointment.

Bryce Brown would have worked out just fine at Tennessee if he had stayed. His true freshman season as a backup to Monterio Hardesty, Brown rushed for 460 yards on 101 carries with 3 TD's. He also had 10 receptions for 137 yards and 1 TD. Now, he was definitely overrated as the nation's top RB coming out of high school in 2009 but if he had just stuck with the program, he would have had a nice college career and been anywhere from a 3rd to 5rd round draft pick in the NFL and he is having a decent NFL career anyway.

I expect Hurd to slightly exceed those numbers...also, to the people lamenting the loss of our Offensive Line: maybe you saw something I didn't but I don't recall a whole lot of great run blocking in the last two seasons. Finally, to the others who are predicting injury or recurring shoulder problems: that is pure conjecture/speculation. There are many examples of RB's labeled as injury prone who went on to great careers without recurring issues. Our own Jamal Lewis tore his ACL twice (at Tenn in '98 and again with the Ravens in '01) before rushing for 2,000 yards in 2003 and finishing with over 10,000 yards for his career. This "Hurd will be hurt half the time" rhetoric looks like the pathetic wishful thinking that emits from VandyMania...I expected better than that on VN.

 

[bigchief]

He has plenty of talent and ability. Lane will take away some of his production but the biggest question is the 5 guys in front of him.

That will determine how good of a year both have.

i agree with you lets just see what our OL does and how good they are before we start counting our chickens before they hatch

 

[Catbone]

Behind this OL I expect a "meh". Next year will be better

 

[johnboyhunter]

Do you seriously think Tennessee is going to average 200 -220 yd/game rushing this year?Which is what 2500ish / 12 comes out to..

God Bless this place.

Yes we will, especially behind a new O line (sarcasm). If we averaged 200 per game we win the SEC east. 200 per game would open up 300 yards passing with our receiver corps.

 

[dduncan4163]

I'd say anywhere between 600-800 if the O-Line gels together quickly. The O and D-Lines ability will determine whether we are a 4-8 all the way to an 8-4 team.

Its going to be a very wild year. Crazy to think that we could end up losing 8 games or be a Dark Horse in the East.

 

[beachbums624]

I expect this young man to represent Tennessee in a positive manner , also to seize any opportunity that comes his way . GBO

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

I'd say anywhere between 600-800 if the O-Line gels together quickly. The O and D-Lines ability will determine whether we are a 4-8 all the way to an 8-4 team.

Its going to be a very wild year. Crazy to think that we could end up losing 8 games or be a Dark Horse in the East.

I'm just not on board with this mindset. Last year's results prettty much argue against the notion that a good O-line or D-line can make or break a season.

IMO it's all in the skill positions. We didn't have them last year, this year looks to be a lot different.