What does it mean to be gay or lesbian?

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allvol123 said:
Good pivot. Your last bit proved a terrible failure for you.

A behavior that produces significantly higher rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide, etc would make a good candidate for mental disorder. Unless I am unaware of the benefits to these outcomes.
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You changed to "produces", i.e. causation, when all you've asserted so far is correlation. I know (hope) you know better than that.

Men are alcoholics more than women. Plenty of jobs have higher rates of alcoholism and drug abuse and suicide than others. I'm sure there are differences across races in terms of alcoholism, drug abuse and suicide because not every race is going to have exactly the same percentages. The idea that those correlations all equal "mental illness" is lazy and ignores the correlation vs. causation distinction that we all learned in probably middle school
 
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allvol123 said:
How about we just learn? Is that not important? The point is the studies aren’t being done. Because people don’t want to see the results.

My belief is homosexual men certainly have shorter lifespans. I think most would believe that. There are even some studies that show it, but I don’t find a ton of info on this.

Currently we are saying, yea we know suicide, alcoholism, and drug abuse is higher among these people BUT WE ARE SURE it ks because they are ostracized. So we will just fix that part and watch how things improve once we fix that. That is quite the foolish approach. To go 100% in on one hypothesis to fixing a problem.
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Those are things associated with stress, and being gay in our society is obviously stressful for any number of reasons, many of which are external. Lawyers have higher incidences of suicide, alcoholism and drug abuse too because it's a stressful job. None of that is surprising.

What is the other answer you think is out there? That anal sex makes you die?
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Rex

There are more important things to worry about (imo) than another persons sexual orientation. I have my religious stance, however, my opinion is not shared by everyone. If someone wants my view, then I will share it with them. My neighbor a few houses down from mine is an openly gay guy and is also a good friend of our family. The only major difference between us is his sexual preference (BFD). I would much rather have him over to my home instead of thieves or swindlers that you mentioned. If an openly gay person showed up at your congregation to attend church, how would that person be received? Warm welcome or condemnation? This is not meant as a personal attack but rather an honest question. I feel highly confident that an openly gay person would receive a warm welcome at the church I attend regardless of their lifestyle.
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aa. obviously, there was nothing more important to Moses, than to tell the people about "an abomination" (<< that is strong wording), Leviticus 18:22.

a. We're having "an honest discussion" (no cause for p.a.).

b. do you understand the meaning/implications of the word "Such were some of you" (as it applies to the list) --


... 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, ...

Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm just curious because it seems like one side has one understanding of what it means and the other side has another understanding.

Can we clarify what these terms mean so that we can move the discussion forward and have an honest dialogue?
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Septic said:
The proportions of heterosexual and homosexual pedophiles among sex offenders against children: an exploratory study - PubMed (nih.gov)

You have a much larger problem with heterosexuals "targeting children."
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From the abstract of the link posted:

”the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.”

That seems to contradict your conclusion. Admittedly, in total numbers, yes heterosexual pedophiles are greater than homosexuals, but heterosexuals, of course, far outnumber homosexuals.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
From the abstract of the link posted:

”the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.”

That seems to contradict your conclusion. Admittedly, in total numbers, yes heterosexual pedophiles are greater than homosexuals, but heterosexuals, of course, far outnumber homosexuals.
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And they even say that if the pedophilia is male to male that then attacker is still identifies heterosexual.. Doesn't matter sense to me..
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
How could the CEO of the largest company in the world possibly be a gay man if the pro business, pro capitalism party is ostracizing the gay fellers?
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Yes and how could people be racist now that Obama has been president? Doubling down on a point this stupid is funny
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Since you’re so smart you should be able to answer the question.
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I do not blame you for immediately abandoning that extremely stupid "gay CEO" point
What are those favors exclusive to the straight, white Christians?
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Not being slandered as a threat to mainstream society's precious women and children, which so far has been used against trans people, gay people, lesbians, Black people and undoubtedly just about every other minority group as well
 
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NashVol11 said:
I do not blame you for immediately abandoning that extremely stupid "gay CEO" point
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Did you miss the part about the CEO of THE LARGEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD? Only the extremist Republicans (and Democrats for that matter) give a **** about who’s gay and in a position of leadership. Those aren’t the gay people that are performing sex shows for kids and riding parade floats in the middle of downtown streets while nearly naked.

And you comparing it to Obama getting the most votes is really stupid. CEOs are appointed by a powerful few. POTUS only needs enough of the voting population to buy in.
 
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NashVol11 said:
Not being slandered as a threat to mainstream society's precious women and children, which so far has been used against trans people, gay people, lesbians, Black people and undoubtedly just about every other minority group as well
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Straight, white Christians get the same treatment. Nice try, Einstein.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Did you miss the part about the CEO of THE LARGEST COMPANY IN THE WORLD? Only the extremist Republicans (and Democrats for that matter) give a **** about who’s gay and in a position of leadership. Those aren’t the gay people that are performing sex shows for kids and riding parade floats in the middle of downtown streets while nearly naked.

And you comparing it to Obama getting the most votes is really stupid. CEOs are appointed by a powerful few. POTUS only needs enough of the voting population to buy in.
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How could I miss it? You’ve tried to make this embarrassingly stupid point 5 times now. Apple was a giant and Tim Cook was CEO long before he came out, so you’re just patting Republicans on the back for not having him immediately fired for being gay lol. Galaxy brain takes here
 
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