What does it mean to be gay or lesbian?

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gcbvol said:
I had no concept of what gay was. I started noticing at 11 or 12 when my friends started 'going together' and talking about who they thought was cute, etc. I didn't understand any of that and wasn't really attracted to anyone. I figured I was just a late bloomer.

Not sure I understand your last question, but I felt comfortable in a heterosexual home. I was always more comfortable with girls, but interacted fine with both.
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Today they would have told you that you were transgender and that you needed to transition in order to be your true self.

At what age did you meet your first gay person? I’m also guessing you’re first gay relationship was a bit older than you.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I clearly stated why I started the thread in Post #1.
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Imagine, asking Davy Crockett this same question, during pursuit of big-game, where, out of respect for the question,

a. he quickly references Scripture (Leviticus 18), then, along with all of the other Volunteers in honest discussion
b. he points everyone to a brief reading of a book on G and L song for the simplest of answers (where, the Volunteers might ask: 'What, they now are teaching these things to our young ones, via verse and song ??') ...


“Be always sure you are right, then go ahead.”
― Davy Crockett

“I had gone but a little way before I killed a fine buck, and started to go back to the boat; but on the way I came on the tracks of a large gang of elks, and so I took after them. I had followed them only a little distance when I saw them, and directly after I saw two large bucks. I ....”
― David Crockett, A Narrative of the Life of David Crockett, of the State of Tennessee.

Leviticus 18: (Moses (the man along with the people who stood at the banks of the Red Sea) having understood these things)

20And you shall not have sexual intercourse with your neighbor’s wife, to be defiled with her.
22You shall not sleep with a male as [k]one sleeps with a female; it is an abomination.

 
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Gandalf said:
At what age did you meet your first gay person? I’m also guessing you’re first gay relationship was a bit older than you.
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It was a different time so not as many people were out in East TN. I guess it was probably 18. Although I found out later my 6th grade homeroom teacher was gay. I was a very religious person back then so wasn't very 'worldly'.

I guess I'm lucky in the first person I dated is who I stayed with. We met in 1993 and have been together since. He's 15 months older. Fun fact, he was in seminary when we met.
 
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gcbvol said:
It was a different time so not as many people were out in East TN. I guess it was probably 18. Although I found out later my 6th grade homeroom teacher was gay. I was a very religious person back then so wasn't very 'worldly'.

I guess I'm lucky in the first person I dated is who I stayed with. We met in 1993 and have been together since. He's 15 months older. Fun fact, he was in seminary when we met.
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Seminary is a great place to meet men.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I gotta give dumbass credit for something, he is routinely burned more than anyone in the history of VNPF, and he keeps coming back to get decked every single time.
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We can always count on dinky to post in threads involving the LGBT community. At least you are consistent in your hyperbole. So when are you gonna come out?
 
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gcbvol said:
It was a different time so not as many people were out in East TN. I guess it was probably 18. Although I found out later my 6th grade homeroom teacher was gay. I was a very religious person back then so wasn't very 'worldly'.

I guess I'm lucky in the first person I dated is who I stayed with. We met in 1993 and have been together since. He's 15 months older. Fun fact, he was in seminary when we met.
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My nephew is gay. He's married and lives in Dallas now. For people who don't believe others are born gay, those who think it's a choice, I think I knew my nephew was gay before he did. I was around all of my sister's children a lot as they grew up. But my conversations with my nephew, I knew he was "different". And I don't mean that in a bad way. He is who he is, and I'm immensely proud of him and his successes. When he came out to his parents and his grandparents, I wasn't there, but he told them he thought I already knew. And I did. But that was his story to tell, not mine. It didn't really matter, cause no matter what, I love the kid.

I worry about him because I know there are a lot of ignorant people in this world who would hurt him simply because they disagree with his sexuality. I don't understand that hate. There is still a long way to go for people to understand LGB people simply want to live their lives like everyone else. And they should be able to do that in peace, free from the judgement of others.
 
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n_huffhines said:
And he also disqualified all answers that he disagrees with as not common sense.

What about this common sense? Long before I ever kissed a girl, I knew I liked them. I even got boners for them before I ever held hands or kissed. I've never got a boner for a man. That's how you know your orientation exists without taking it to a physical level with another person.
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This is the simple answer.

I've never looked at another guy and thought, "He's cute". My wet dreams were always about girls.
 
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Weezer said:
My nephew is gay. He's married and lives in Dallas now. For people who don't believe others are born gay, those who think it's a choice, I think I knew my nephew was gay before he did. I was around all of my sister's children a lot as they grew up. But my conversations with my nephew, I knew he was "different". And I don't mean that in a bad way. He is who he is, and I'm immensely proud of him and his successes. When he came out to his parents and his grandparents, I wasn't there, but he told them he thought I already knew. And I did. But that was his story to tell, not mine. It didn't really matter, cause no matter what, I love the kid.

I worry about him because I know there are a lot of ignorant people in this world who would hurt him simply because they disagree with his sexuality. I don't understand that hate. There is still a long way to go for people to understand LGB people simply want to live their lives like everyone else. And they should be able to do that in peace, free from the judgement of others.
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WTH is wrong with your nephew? Does he have a mental illness or was it a bad childhood? Why would any normal person choose to live in Texas?
 
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hog88 said:
WTH is wrong with your nephew? Does he have a mental illness or was it a bad childhood? Why would any normal person choose to live in Texas?
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lol He works for Neiman Marcus in corporate.
 
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Queen would have been a horrible band if Freddie Mercury wasn't bi-sexual. A straight male wouldn't have been able to provide the same level of epic musical harmony during that era of rock n roll for a band like Queen. Pantera OTOH would have an absolute disaster with a gay lead singer. These are the facts Ras.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Queen would have been a horrible band if Freddie Mercury wasn't bi-sexual. A straight male wouldn't have been able to provide the same level of epic musical harmony during that era of rock n roll for a band like Queen. Pantera OTOH would have an absolute disaster with a gay lead singer. These are the facts Ras.
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I was 15 years only with a cousin who was 16 and my father who chaperoned as we saw Judas Priest in concert. My cousin and I were down front as Halford opened hitting a high note and carrying it out forever with one arm stretched out doing jazz hands. My cousin said “ oh yeah, he’s gay” and we both laughed and enjoyed the show. That was the first of many times we saw them. I don’t think there are that many people who give a **** if someone is gay or not.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I was 15 years only with a cousin who was 16 and my father who chaperoned as we saw Judas Priest in concert. My cousin and I were down front as Halford opened hitting a high note and carrying it out forever with one arm stretched out doing jazz hands. My cousin said “ oh yeah, he’s gay” and we both laughed and enjoyed the show. That was the first of many times we saw them. I don’t think there are that many people who give a **** if someone is gay or not.
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Agreed.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Agreed.
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Well, while it's apparent that some don't think or don't think to take stances about thievery or swindling, the church does think on and does care about these things --

(NASB) 1 Corinthians 6:1Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ [a]by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,
2To the church of God which is in Corinth,

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [g]homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and [h]in the Spirit of our God.

Philippians 4:Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, ... (do) think about these things.

Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm just curious because it seems like one side has one understanding of what it means and the other side has another understanding.

Can we clarify what these terms mean so that we can move the discussion forward and have an honest dialogue?
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Rex has testified against himself as an idolator (idolatry through baptism required salvation) so he won’t be inheriting the kingdom of heaven.

All you christians (small C on purpose) would be better off and would stop chasing people away from G_d, if you would study and apply your beliefs to yourself and let others do the same as your sins are every bit and damning as the sins you project upon others.

or…

7 “Do not [a]judge, so that you will not be judged.2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and [b]by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you look at the [c]speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how [d]can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the [e]speck out of your eye,’ and look, the log is in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite,
 
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gcbvol said:
It was a different time so not as many people were out in East TN. I guess it was probably 18. Although I found out later my 6th grade homeroom teacher was gay. I was a very religious person back then so wasn't very 'worldly'.

I guess I'm lucky in the first person I dated is who I stayed with. We met in 1993 and have been together since. He's 15 months older. Fun fact, he was in seminary when we met.
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2 of the 13 other guys I trained with to be ministers are out (that I know of). One came as no surprise. The other was a total surprise.
 
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UT-Rex said:
Well, while it's apparent that some don't think or don't think to take stances about thievery or swindling, the church does think on and does care about these things --

(NASB) 1 Corinthians 6:1Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ [a]by the will of God, and our brother Sosthenes,
2To the church of God which is in Corinth,

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [g]homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor those habitually drunk, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and [h]in the Spirit of our God.

Philippians 4:Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, ... (do) think about these things.
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Rex

There are more important things to worry about (imo) than another persons sexual orientation. I have my religious stance, however, my opinion is not shared by everyone. If someone wants my view, then I will share it with them. My neighbor a few houses down from mine is an openly gay guy and is also a good friend of our family. The only major difference between us is his sexual preference (BFD). I would much rather have him over to my home instead of thieves or swindlers that you mentioned. If an openly gay person showed up at your congregation to attend church, how would that person be received? Warm welcome or condemnation? This is not meant as a personal attack but rather an honest question. I feel highly confident that an openly gay person would receive a warm welcome at the church I attend regardless of their lifestyle.
 
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McDad said:
That's the question. People experiment with sexual expression. Are they gay when attracted to same sex and latently gay when not? One gay experience is gay for life?
I dont know these answers. But when I think of my gay friends who are "devoutly " gay, they are in one seeking emotional and physical intimacy in a long term pair bond.
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You can build 1000x bridges and never be called a "bridgebuilder"... but if you suck one deck then you're a "decksucker" for life.

^^^ how it was relayed to me as a young construction working lad. Laughing commenced immediately among the crew. Anecdotal and whatnot but it does seem to be true...
 
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