What is the extent of voting fraud here in America?

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Need to tone down the rhetoric in this thread...

It's fairly apparent that voter fraud isn't really all that widespread. IMO the reasons the GOP is pushing for voter ID laws is purely political, because the fact is that it does effect people who are predisposed to voting for democrats. However I don't have a problem with those laws being put in place.

My larger concern would be implementation of a better registration system so displaced people aren't registered in multiple locations and dead people aren't registered, as funding and resources for elections are based on those numbers. That is a much, much bigger issue than fairly sparse instances of fraud.
 
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If one's investment in electing the people that govern us cannot rise to the standard of being able to produce an ID (even one at the public's expense) then you've got no business voting IMO.

How some seem to want to argue that producing an ID is some high and disenfranchising standard is simply beyond me. That is a low, LOW bar.
 
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volinbham said:
there is a world of difference between "not widespread" and "infinitesimally small and unmeasurable".

suppression via ID would not be widespread either; I dare say it would be infinitesimally small and unmeasurable...
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lawgator1 said:
If you think those stories document any voting fraud, then your reading comprehension simply blows.
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Voting fraud arising from 24,000 registrations from one address is not nearly the stretch that you make with the tea party being racists.
 
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volsforever27 said:
Good thing LG is looking out for the little guy.
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I sleep so much better at night knowing people like later gater are looking out for me and guarding the integrity of the voting process.

Articles: How Incompetence and Malfeasance Infect the Voting Process

Injustice: Exposing the Racial Agenda of the Obama Justice Department, a recent book by J. Christian Adams, provides shocking evidence of DOJ racial bias toward minorities and the failure to apply federal law in a race-neutral fashion. A five-year DOJ Voting Rights Section veteran, Adams cites his firsthand experience with officials who sought to promote a radical racialist agenda and who knowingly violated the National Voting Rights Act (NVRA). Adams sounds an alarm, arguing that the values and actions pursued by the DOJ jeopardize our constitutional republic and endanger America's core principles of government of the people, by the people, and for the people.


Violations of the voting process depicted in Adams' book are manifold and include incompetence, fraud, partisanship, and intimidation or thuggery. These rampant and pervasive problems warrant serious interventions to curb abuses of a right Americans hold sacrosanct. Fortunately, citizens' groups are becoming more involved in elections and have recognized the need to do more to protect the rights of the electorate under the law.
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Voter fraud is widespread and has played a critical role in many close races. Abuses include registering more than once and voting multiple times; forced "assistance" of voters; suppression of the military vote; voting by felons, non-citizens, and the underaged; and voting using names of deceased voters or fictional people -- including cartoon characters and dogs.
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milohimself said:
That's one to the top five most ludicrous statements I've ever read on this board and I read some real doozies.

Colorado Corporate Statements - MarketWire - Denver Post

Election fraud was a significant concern during the 2008 and 2010 election seasons, with ACORN/Project Vote being linked to massive voter registration fraud. A total of 70 ACORN employees in 12 states have been convicted of voter registration fraud. As documented in a July 2009 report by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, of the 1.3 million registrations Project Vote/ACORN submitted in the 2008 election cycle, more than one-third were invalid.

Judicial Watch has uncovered documents showing that, rather than taking action to enforce Section 8 of the NVRA, the Obama Department of Justice (DOJ) is now working with ACORN-front Project Vote, Barack Obama's former employer, to push for strict enforcement of Section 7 of the NVRA relating to welfare office voter registration obligations.
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Policy changes prompted by stricter enforcement of Section 7 have resulted in increased incidents of voter registration errors. For example, a separate Judicial Watch investigation found that the percentage of invalid voter registration forms from Colorado public assistance agencies was four times the national average after Project Vote successfully forced the state to implement new policies for increasing the registration of public assistance recipients during the 2008 and 2010 election seasons.
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President Obama and the Holder Justice Department evidently have no interest in clean elections this year, so this responsibility has now fallen to Judicial Watch. And given the rampant election fraud that occurred during the last two election cycles, this is a matter of the highest priority as we head into the 2012 election season. It is simply impossible to have any faith in the integrity of an election where dead people remain on the voting rolls.
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One of two things, you are either extremely naive or you are shilling for the dhimmirats ala later gater.

Voting fraud has been a real problem for over forty years in this country and it is now totally out of hand.

If millions of fraudulent votes isn't significant, what would it take for you to abandon the claim that it isn't widespread?
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milohimself said:
However I don't have a problem with [voter ID] laws being put in place.
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gsvol said:
you are shilling for the dhimmirats ala later gater.
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Not that anybody takes you seriously anyway, but I'll just let these two statements stand in contrast to one another.

I'll let you go read the NVRA, as I have, and I really want you to concentrate on Sections 7 and 8. One is vastly more difficult to enforce than the other.

As to the article you posted, it said that one third of the voter registrations collected by ACORN wereinvalid, not illegal. There is a big difference. They, like many other groups, go out and petition people to register (and campaign for a candidate or measure), then submit that data, many of those registrations come up invalid. In fact, according to Pew Center on the States, that 1/3 clip is about in line with the national average.

The problem we have is an inefficient and outdated voter registration system, which is highly wasteful of public funding, not a vehicle in which voter fraud is rampant.

Accusations of voter fraud are a total red herring, and a bs argument to boot. But, if the result is a sleeker registration databank, then maybe it won't be so bad.

And I'll type this next bit in big font, just in case you think I'm shilling for Democrats (although you toss those accusations around this board like it's going out of style):

I am okay with voter ID laws.
 
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Gs. Why won't you respond in your nazi thread? Are you avoiding it for some reason? I hope you are not a coward.
 
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Nerd-Vol said:
Gs. Why won't you respond in your nazi thread? Are you avoiding it for some reason? I hope you are not a coward.
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No actually I've been cutting up some venisen and duck to go in the gumbo I'me cooking for the Daytona party Sunday.

Why has the thread degenerated into a name calling, mud slinging exibition of stupidity in which some stupid jerk tries to turn the thread into a personal attack on me??

I'll look in on it as soon as I get a chance, am I a coward for not replying to the women against islam thread?? How does one reply to such jeuvenile competition to win the 'most inane and irrevelent' award?



milohimself said:
Accusations of voter fraud are a total red herring, and a bs argument to boot. But, if the result is a sleeker registration databank, then maybe it won't be so bad.
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Voter fraud is serious, widespread and sometimes organized.

Consider this:



Articles: How Incompetence and Malfeasance Infect the Voting Process

Although FBI investigative reports delineate serious allegations of corruption and voter registration fraud by ACORN, the Obama administration in 2009 shut down a criminal investigation of the group without filing criminal charges. The Obama administration claimed that ACORN broke no laws and had merely engaged in "questionable hiring and training practices." In the 1990s, Obama worked for ACORN, procuring funding, training its leaders, and representing the organization in court.

In 2011, Judicial Watch traced additional federal money from the Obama administration to ACORN spinoffs, despite laws prohibiting funding to ACORN
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In all but three states, the Secretary of State (SOS) serves as the chief election officer, who certifies candidates and election results. In 35 states, this is an elected position; in 12 states, the governor appoints the SOS. SOS responsibilities include conducting the election, enforcing election rules, determining precinct locations, establishing Election Day procedures, and allocating and ensuring the security of voting machines. Additionally, secretaries of state purge voter rolls and register new voters. In other words, they decide who can vote, how they will vote, and which ballots are counted. The SOS serves a vital role in ensuring the legitimacy of each election, weeding out fraud and prohibiting voter intimidation or coercion.


In 2006, George Soros, multi-billionaire funder of left-wing causes and one of the most powerful political forces in the world, founded a tax-exempt Section 527 political group with other leftists known as the Secretary of State Project (SOSP). The sole objective was to elect progressive Democrats as secretaries of state in battleground states. The SOSP succeeded in 11 out of 18 races, including the key states of Ohio, Nevada, Iowa, New Mexico, and Minnesota, thus placing partisan officials in charge of elections.


Conveniently, Section 527 organizations are not subject to the scrutiny of the Federal Election Commission. Therefore, no upper limit exists on contributions, nor do any restrictions exist on who can contribute.


In subsequent elections, the SOSP's impact was evident. In the Norm Coleman/Al Franken congressional race in Minnesota, a handpicked Soros acolyte decided the close race. Ballots were mysteriously found in an election judge's car, close to 400 convicted felons cast votes, and suspicious voting machine irregularities occurred. In Ohio, the secretary of state elected through the SOSP efforts invalidated one million absentee-ballot applications issued by John McCain's presidential campaign.
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Still think voting fraud accusations is a red herring?
 
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I'm not going to directly to respond to some blog that has no citations.

Yes, actual voter fraud (not invalid voter registration) is a red herring. The sparse cases of actual voter fraud tend more to be with absentee ballots, and that's something voter ID laws have no effect on.

Andrew Rosenthal of NYT issued a challenge a few months ago for people to find cases of voter fraud, and Red State put one together for him, and that was the case; it included only eight cases, all of which were problems with absentee ballots.
 
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gs, just so you know there is an easy money scheme out there for you: ACLU is out in states considering implementing voter ID laws, and they are offering $1,000 for any proven allegations of voter impersonation.

If it's that widespread, that should be a quick, easy couple grand for you.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Voting fraud arising from 24,000 registrations from one address is not nearly the stretch that you make with the tea party being racists.
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Ok, that Fox article is poorly written.

However, if you think it says that there were 24,000 registrations to one house I will once again say that your reading comprehension skills are not what they should be.
 
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If voter fraud is not a big deal as some on here are saying. Then why is there so much resistance to requiring ID to vote?
 
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Headed For Home said:
If voter fraud is not a big deal as some on here are saying. Then why is there so much resistance to requiring ID to vote?
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I can understand the basic argument against it, not that I agree with it, but...

Photo ID's in most states cost money, so if you require photo ID's that are not free in order to vote, then that is a de facto poll tax, which is unconstitutional.
 
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It is not any more of a poll tax than the fact that I will have to buy food in order to live long enough for the polls to open.

Photo id's are a simple part of today's world. Those who do not wish to participate do not have to.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Ok, that Fox article is poorly written.

However, if you think it says that there were 24,000 registrations to one house I will once again say that your reading comprehension skills are not what they should be.
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Bumping to the next page just because I am curious as to whether there will be an acknowledgement of the point.
 
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Headed For Home said:
It is not any more of a poll tax than the fact that I will have to buy food in order to live long enough for the polls to open.
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That was complete nonsense. They don't require you to have a ham sandwich on you to vote.

Photo id's are a simple part of today's world. Those who do not wish to participate do not have to.
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That's entirely beside the point. A state making you pay for something before you can vote is unconstitutional.
 
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