What is the extent of voting fraud here in America?

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milohimself said:
Not everywhere. Depends on the state. Regular ID cards here are $44.50 and if you don't have the money for one, they'll tell you to go pound sand.
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Still not feeling much sympathy considering that they are required for much of our personal business today and are usually good for 4 to 6 years.
 
#77
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milohimself said:
No, but if the law were to be proposed, it would need to be tied to a measure to make basic photo ID's to be made available for free before I would agree with it.
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I don't know for sure but assume in the states that require IDs for voting that they are free. Otherwise, it would be too close to a poll tax.
 
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lawgator1 said:
My point was it was not one house with 24,000 registrations. It was a district that had 24,000 houses where there were multiple registrations. Pretty big difference.

And, more importantly, all that means is that these registrations are bleeding over, one from the next. People move, they don't change it, and the system just keeps it on record until somehow the thing is reset.

I would agree we should clean up the voter registration rolls. Whether it is to prevent fraud or just to streamline the process and have better information available, either way, that's fine.

What pisses me off is the far right pretending that these outdated registration rolls and problems with people not keeping up with them IS voter fraud. It isn't. Not even close.

It remains a fact that actual voter fraud is incredibly low. So low that it is not worth worrying about, much less spending millions and millions of dollars to combat this nonexistent problem.

And the solution is to clean up the rolls, not trot out this notion that if people just got id's it would all work out. That is nonsense. It is classic bait and switch by the GOP, substituting "voter fraud"for outdated voter rolls.

The two are not the same.
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As I said, I had the advantage of the TV reports and it was one house with 24,000 registrations. We have previously agreed that the piece is poorly written.
 
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Headed For Home said:
Still not feeling much sympathy considering that they are required for much of our personal business today and are usually good for 4 to 6 years.
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Buying alcohol, cashing checks, flying on planes etc and other things that require id are not constitutional rights. Voting is.
 
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Headed For Home said:
Wearing clothes is not a constitutional requirement, but they won't let you vote otherwise.
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How much further can you reach? Why can't you understand that making somebody pay for something as a prerequisite to vote is unconstitutional? Are you trolling or just that dense?
 
#83
#83
milohimself said:
How much further can you reach? Why can't you understand that making somebody pay for something as a prerequisite to vote is unconstitutional? Are you trolling or just that dense?
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No more dense than you. You are whining about ID being a hardship. I am simply illustrating that other things that are common everyday items are also required already. ID is really no different. We are past the days of living in a community of a few hundred and knowing everyone by name. Asking for ID is not asking much.
 
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Headed For Home said:
No more dense than you. You are whining about ID being a hardship. I am simply illustrating that other things that are common everyday items are also required already. ID is really no different. We are past the days of living in a community of a few hundred and knowing everyone by name. Asking for ID is not asking much.
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Are you confusing me for lg? When have I complained about it being a hardship? Again, stop making things up.

It's simple:

Voting requires photo id
Photo id requires money
Therefore, voting requires money

It. is. Unconstitutional.

End of discussion! You cannot have photo id requirements unless they are provided for free.
 
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Headed For Home said:
No more dense than you. You are whining about ID being a hardship. I am simply illustrating that other things that are common everyday items are also required already. ID is really no different. We are past the days of living in a community of a few hundred and knowing everyone by name. Asking for ID is not asking much.
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Every single one of those other things are not guaranteed rights.
 
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KentheOrange said:
As I said, I had the advantage of the TV reports and it was one house with 24,000 registrations. We have previously agreed that the piece is poorly written.
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Can you link anything that says its one house? Not saying you are intentionally misrepresenting the facts, but I'd like to know where that allegation is coming from.
 
#87
#87
milohimself said:
Are you confusing me for lg? When have I complained about it being a hardship? Again, stop making things up.

It's simple:

Voting requires photo id
Photo id requires money
Therefore, voting requires money

It. is. Unconstitutional.

End of discussion! You cannot have photo id requirements unless they are provided for free.
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I could be wrong but it has always been my understanding that requiring ID would be tied into having access to that being available for free.

Is there anywhere that does require ID that doesn't offer having those ID's available for free?
 
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hndog609 said:
I could be wrong but it has always been my understanding that requiring ID would be tied into having access to that being available for free.

Is there anywhere that does require ID that doesn't offer having those ID's available for free?
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As long as they do, as I've said, I'm totally fine with it.
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#89
#89
According to an article from the economist, states that have voter id laws are required to provide them for free, though it didn't indicate if they actually all do.

I'll have to dig in on it later.
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#90
#90
Own land, a business, be military, or over 30 with a job.

that's the world I dream of.
 
#92
#92
don't you have to literate to vote? how come that's not seen as an effort by the racist republicans to disenfranchise minority groups?

"I gotta read the ballot!? what kinda racist bullsh** is this?"
 
#93
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dreVol said:
don't you have to literate to vote? how come that's not seen as an effort by the racist republicans to disenfranchise minority groups?

"I gotta read the ballot!? what kinda racist bullsh** is this?"
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Ponzi scheme of the white man
 
#95
#95
Headed For Home said:
Quite frankly if it stops the grave yard crew from voting for the Dems, then I am all for it.
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Will Democrats Win the Dead Vote? | Catholic Exchange

An outfit called Project Veritas – run by James O’Keefe, who made the videos that brought down ACORN – ran a little experiment in New Hampshire Tuesday and found that without voter ID requirements, dead people were offered a rare opportunity to participate in the political process.

Because you see, Mssrs. Obama and Holder, states want voter ID laws not to prevent minorities from voting, but to PREVENT THE DECEASED FROM VOTING.
Attorney General Eric Holder has been waging an increasingly aggressive campaign of late against state mandatory voter ID laws.

Because he’s concerned about discrimination. Against zombies.
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Nerd-Vol said:
Thank you, this stupid jerk looks forward to your insight!
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At least you know what you are.

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milohimself said:
End of discussion! You cannot have photo id requirements unless they are provided for free.
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Carolina not only offers a free ID but free transportation to get the free ID.

Now, having said that, why is Holder opposing voters having to show an ID there?

There is no logical reason except that he wants to perpetuate voting fraud by democrats.
 
#97
#97
gsvol said:
Carolina not only offers a free ID but free transportation to get the free ID.

Now, having said that, why is Holder opposing voters having to show an ID there?

There is no logical reason except that he wants to perpetuate voting fraud by democrats.
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Then north Carolina is in the right. There's no evidence of voter fraud though, but the laws do affect a larger portion of the democratic base.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Can you link anything that says its one house? Not saying you are intentionally misrepresenting the facts, but I'd like to know where that allegation is coming from.
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Unable to find it. Don't know if that is a failure of my memory or the Dallas TV media. Both are likely candidates.
 
#99
#99
milohimself said:
Then north Carolina is in the right. There's no evidence of voter fraud though, but the laws do affect a larger portion of the democratic base.
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That you can say there is no evidence of voter fraud is just mind boggling.

How were people convicted of voter fraud in 12 states if there were no evidence???? (And only the most naive or most deceiptful would try to say that even that was the whole extent of the problem.)

Suffice it to say that we unequivocally disagree.

Agreed?

Your darned right it affects a larger portion of the domocratic base.

Several portions.

The portion that votes in multiple precincts.

The portion that votes under ficticious names.

The portion that casts votes for deceased ditizens.

The portion that votes in two or more states.

The most dispicable of all are the indivduals who have barred active duty military personal serving overseas, often in hot combat zones from having their votes counted.

That is the lowest of all aspects of this issue as far as I'm concerned.
 
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