What is Your Political Lean?

What is your political lean?

  • Republican

    Votes: 40 41.2%

  • Democrat

    Votes: 3 3.1%

  • Independent

    Votes: 18 18.6%

  • Not Sure

    Votes: 5 5.2%

  • Libertarian

    Votes: 21 21.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 9.3%

  • Communist

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • Total voters
    97
#78
#78
Vance sold his morals just like Kamala "I dont think you are racist BUT here's a few examples of you being racist" Harris...
 
#79
#79
BigOrangeMojo said:
Vance sold his morals just like Kamala "I dont think you are racist BUT here's a few examples of you being racist" Harris...
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Can you provide insight / opinion on how?

I didn't know the man existed until yesterday.
 
#81
#81
BigOrangeMojo said:
Im not going into a partnership with someone I thought was Hitler...

Vance changed his tune to survive politically and drank the MAGA Kool Aid. That makes him no better than Kamala...
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Understood. Changed his position on DJT once a nomination for VP was in the cards. Makes sense.
 
#82
#82
tbh said:
While all minarchists are libertarians, not all libertarians are minarchists. Libertarianism is an ice cream shop with many different flavors, so to speak.

I'm probably butchering the definition a bit, but...Minarchism sees the practical utility/necessity in a minimal State, where the government's role is limited to protecting individual rights and providing essential services such as national defense, law enforcement, and a legal system. Generally, it's based on a realization that in the real world, bad actors do exist and will cause injury or otherwise trample the property rights of others if left unchecked by law enforcement (on a smaller level) and military (on an international level). Another term for it is a "night watchman state".
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so a move back to role of government from the anarcho-captialism folks. what you've described is pretty close to where I fall.
 
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#88
#88
volinbham said:
wonder if he believed his position either time - I'm betting the Hitler comment was to gain some political favor just as back tracking has been.

it's what those seeking power do unfortunately
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That's a thoughtful position. If we don't like the change in tune, and not about what the tune is, does it matter if the tune changed to gain political favor or election.
 
#91
#91
SpaceCoastVol said:
You seriously believe Trump is Hitler? Would you pleeeeeease provide some examples as to how you arrive at that conclusion?
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lawgator1 said:
I don't. JD Vance does.
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LG believes it when words put those he oppose in a bad light but doesn't believe it when it puts them in a good light.

JD, then, was being truthful and sincere with Trump = Hitler, and now untruthful joining the Trump campaign as VP.

Even though we constantly see President / VP tickets where two in previous opposition (and saying harsh things about each other) are now united on the same ticket supporting each other.
 
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#92
#92
Not sure where I fall partywise. Definitely on the right side of the spectrum but after 20 something years of work and life experience I've softened or reversed on some of the more conservative things. Haven't voted for a R or D presidential candidate since 08.

Fiscal responsibility and a smaller less intrusive fed govt are things I'd like to see and those aren't tenets of either major party.
 
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#93
#93
McDad said:
LG believes it when words put those he oppose in a bad light but doesn't believe it when it puts them in a good light.

JD, then, was being truthful and sincere with Trump = Hitler, and now untruthful joining the Trump campaign as VP.

Even though we constantly see President / VP tickets where two in previous opposition (and saying harsh things about each other) are now united on the same ticket supporting each other.
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No, no, he can change his mind.

I just think he was either being insincere at the time or is being insincere now because it politically advantaged him to do so then, or now.
 
#94
#94
lawgator1 said:
No, no, he can change his mind.

I just think he was either being insincere at the time or is being insincere now because it politically advantaged him to do so then, or now.
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Instead of "or" it could be "and".

He's being insincere both times.

He could also be sincere both times.

But the battle lines are drawn and now there is more stuff to fight about...here in the PF and nationally.
 
#95
#95
McDad said:
That's a thoughtful position. If we don't like the change in tune, and not about what the tune is, does it matter if the tune changed to gain political favor or election.
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personally I don't respect changing a tune as strong as this just to favor - I don't justify the behavior

I'm more commenting on the treating this like it's some kind of outlier, unique to Vance.
 
#96
#96
volinbham said:
personally I don't respect changing a tune as strong as this just to favor - I don't justify the behavior

I'm more commenting on the treating this like it's some kind of outlier, unique to Vance.
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Vance should be held to the same standard as other "tune changers".

Since I've been posting, politicians have done 180s on gay marriage, illegal immigration, deficit spending, foreign wars, legal marijuana, patriot act, social media ills/benefits, et al.
 
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#97
#97
Another thought about "changing the tune".

I think it is more believable when someone in the 20s or 30s changes their tune over a few decades. Who among us hasn't experienced that in yourself? I know my opinions are not the same, some even radically different, compared to when I "knew everything" in my 20s - early 30s.
 
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#98
McDad said:
Another thought about "changing the tune".

I think it is more believable when someone in the 20s or 30s changes their tune over a few decades. Who among us hasn't experienced that in yourself? I know my opinions are not the same, some even radically different, compared to when I "knew everything" in my 20s - early 30s.
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yep.

the young lady who spoke last night is an example (assuming she's sincere and I have no reason to doubt that).
 
#99
#99
lawgator1 said:
No, no, he can change his mind.

I just think he was either being insincere at the time or is being insincere now because it politically advantaged him to do so then, or now.
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LOL but all the things dingbat said about Puddinhead are ok because she's the VP now... You are such a hypocrite
 
#100
#100
I'm actually a registered Democrat. I think the only Dem I've actually voted for was Bredesen for Governor.

I won't vote for the clinically insane!šŸ˜‚šŸ¤£
 
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