What Michigan Fans Think About Joe Milton Starting at UT

[jarnol32]

Yeah Strout and JG are lighting it up.

Shrout blew out his knee..

 

[AndyMizunogolfer]

Yeah right. You must know what you are talking about, except Mich has had 42 players drafted to the NFL in the past 5 drafts. That's 8.4 per year if you are counting. But yeah, other than that, I'm sure you are right.

So they are putting over 8 players a year in the NFL avg and haven't made it to the BCS championship game. From all accounts they are never really in the talks either as they cannot beat OSU and struggle with MI ST. Look at difference in between UT and MI for draft picks. It is pretty obvious on why UT is as bad as they are. It is baffling as to why MI cannot make it though honestly.

MI NFL picks 40
2016-4 picks
2017- 11 2 first round
2018- 2
2019-5 2 first round
2020-10
2021-8

Compared to UT NFL picks 13
2016-0
2017-6
2018-3
2019-0
2020-2
2021-2

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

One thing I will disagree with them on is the idea that an injured thumb doesn’t make you poor at reading defense or make you throw into double coverage.

To use an analogy, if you’ve ever regularly played golf (which requires mental strength and precision, just like being a QB), you know that the slightest injury not only completely messes up your swing, but it messes up your mental game too. You look for easier shots that you have more confidence with, even if they aren’t the best decision. Usually ends up in a poor round. Milton was likely making poor decisions due to a lack of confidence in his ability to execute the play.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Jokes on them for keeping Harbaugh

I don't believe Michigan can get a better coach than Harbaugh.

 

[LowKey]

UT > MI

 

[bigorange]

They're gonna be such haters and sore losers when Milton performs and exceeds expectations here at Tennessee. They're gonna hate Harbaugh even more. Gonna suck to be them here shortly.

 

[Vol4life2]

I can’t think of a single player that got better under Harbaugh while at Michigan

I saw somewhere that UM had the 5th most drafted players by the NFL this year. Some were opt-outs but there is no way that they didn’t benefit from being in that program. I still hope they lose every game starting with Western Mich this weekend but give the dude some credit.

 

[Rooster1]

So they are putting over 8 players a year in the NFL avg and haven't made it to the BCS championship game. From all accounts they are never really in the talks either as they cannot beat OSU and struggle with MI ST. Look at difference in between UT and MI for draft picks. It is pretty obvious on why UT is as bad as they are. It is baffling as to why MI cannot make it though honestly.

MI NFL picks 40
2016-4 picks
2017- 11 2 first round
2018- 2
2019-5 2 first round
2020-10
2021-8

Compared to UT NFL picks 13
2016-0
2017-6
2018-3
2019-0
2020-2
2021-2

Well, they must be developing them ok to get that many drafted, the point about their wins/losses probably more about their schemes and gameplans/game day coaching. They seem to develop players, hence all the draft picks. The original thread responded to the poster said he could not remember one player who ever was developed under Harbaugh. That’s all.

 

[Rooster1]

I don't believe Michigan can get a better coach than Harbaugh.

can’t be serious

 

[Fullfillmer]

The Joe Milton thread on one of the Michigan forums is pretty interesting. 117 comments. Not sure if I'm allowed to link, but mods can delete if not:
link

Overall, Michigan fans seem pretty divided on whether Milton's failure there was the fault of Harbaugh or Milton.

Some comments:





















Lots of opinions from Michigan fans. The debates over there remind me of VN.

I'm still skeptical that Milton is going to dramatically improve this year, and yet weirdly optimistic. I doubt he'll have any issues vs BG (and I'm hoping we win big and Hooker / Bailey get some playing time), so the real tests are Pitt and Florida. Regardless, this is the best part of the season: we're undefeated!

GBO!

"I suspect he will play well against the non-conference schedule and struggle horribly against SEC defenses."

This was going to be my take ... even before reading their reviews. Hopefully not the case, but very possible. JG also possessed the ability to really look good in practice - but the intangibles including reading defenses,
field vision, not telegraphing passes, accuracy etc. etc. are more important to qb success than just size and arm strength. Perhaps he suddenly gets it. I will say that I now remember watching him at Mich some early last yr and thought that they would
never win a game with him at QB. He appeared JG bad. He will look great against BG.

 

[VAVol85]

So they are putting over 8 players a year in the NFL avg and haven't made it to the BCS championship game. From all accounts they are never really in the talks either as they cannot beat OSU and struggle with MI ST. Look at difference in between UT and MI for draft picks. It is pretty obvious on why UT is as bad as they are. It is baffling as to why MI cannot make it though honestly.

MI NFL picks 40
2016-4 picks
2017- 11 2 first round
2018- 2
2019-5 2 first round
2020-10
2021-8

Compared to UT NFL picks 13
2016-0
2017-6
2018-3
2019-0
2020-2
2021-2

Very impressive NFL output for such mediocre team success. UM has not really had a big time QB. Other than that, did you see any trends in the drafted players that would explain the situation? Good position coaches but poor scheme?

 

[Daniel_Lincolns_Foot]

One thing I will disagree with them on is the idea that an injured thumb doesn’t make you poor at reading defense or make you throw into double coverage.

To use an analogy, if you’ve ever regularly played golf (which requires mental strength and precision, just like being a QB), you know that the slightest injury not only completely messes up your swing, but it messes up your mental game too. You look for easier shots that you have more confidence with, even if they aren’t the best decision. Usually ends up in a poor round. Milton was likely making poor decisions due to a lack of confidence in his ability to execute the play.

I'm thrown off my game if my glove gets a hole in it.

And I'm not good enough to afford to be thrown off my game, in any way.

 

[Fullfillmer]

It was to his throwing hand.

I've seen this a couple of times, but from what I've read below, it was on his throwing hand:

"It's A New Me": Joe Milton Is Healthy And Ready To Battle For QB1 At Tennessee | Rocky Top Insider
(This article says it explicitly)

‘It’s a new me’ — Joe Milton III joining Vols with renewed confidence
(This article discusses how he "resumed throwing" at a time following surgery, the implication being that the surgery prevented him from throwing for some time.)

Michigan QB Joe Milton sports cast in social media video
(This article demonstrates that his right hand - his throwing hand - was what was injured)

PressReader.com - Digital Newspaper & Magazine Subscriptions
(This article discusses his right hand being in a cast post surgery)

I believe the misconception comes from the fact that the Instagram video (and the screen shots from that) are mirrored in a way that makes it appear that his left hand is the one that is in the cast.

Ok - reverse imaged - good catch.

 

[Devo182]

Very impressive NFL output for such mediocre team success. UM has not really had a big time QB. Other than that, did you see any trends in the drafted players that would explain the situation? Good position coaches but poor scheme?

Mediocre?? Outside of the wonky covid year, they've won 10 games 3 out of 5 seasons under Harbaugh and the other 2 were 9 wins and 8 wins lol. I'd take that in a heartbeat.

 

[RhodesVol]

Looked like his left hand was in a cast - don't know about your mirroring theory but now I will go back a nd take a closer look.

Yeah, I've seen that photo from the Instagram live posted where it could be either the right or left hand. Not sure why/how that effect occurred, but from all the actual reporting I've seen, it was his throwing hand that was injured.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

can’t be serious

Who could they get that is better if they fired him after this year? I don't believe JH is the best but he is far from the worst.

 

[Rooster1]

Who could they get that is better if they fired him after this year? I don't believe JH is the best but he is far from the worst.

If Michigan ever went on a coaching search they are the type of program that could land one of the best available coaches around, think Campbell or similar. Its just my opinion, but Campbell might be a top 5-7 type coach in the game right now.

I realize Mich fans are running out of patience not being able to beat Ohio State (not many teams have been able to do that the past 5 years), but as was pointed out above, they have 3 10 win seasons plus an 8 win and 9 win season prior to covid year under Harb

 

[Boston Vol]

Harbaugh hasn’t been bad, far from it actually, he’s just been a disappointment compared to the expectations when he was hired.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

I'm thrown off my game if my glove gets a hole in it.

And I'm not good enough to afford to be thrown off my game, in any way.

Lol saaaaaame here my friend.

 

[Boston Vol]

Very impressive NFL output for such mediocre team success. UM has not really had a big time QB. Other than that, did you see any trends in the drafted players that would explain the situation? Good position coaches but poor scheme?

His scheme hasn’t helped matters, but the offensive line had been the biggest issue. They’ve
recruited decently, but haven’t got a lot of production out of that unit. Plus recruiting overall has been good, but they’ve missed out on a lot of top prospects that would have made a huge difference.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

If Michigan ever went on a coaching search they are the type of program that could land one of the best available coaches around, think Campbell or similar.

It is possible that MICH could land Campbell but there is no guarantee he would be better than JH. MC would still have to beat Ohio State and Michigan has shown that they are not even close to the buckeyes. Campbell hasn’t even won double digit games with Iowa State. JH has done that with every team he has coached. With that being said MC is one of the hottest names out there and his stock is through the roof. The point I am trying to make is slam dunk hires don’t always work out. Scott Frost is the latest example of that.

 

[The Original Fade]

I saw somewhere that UM had the 5th most drafted players by the NFL this year. Some were opt-outs but there is no way that they didn’t benefit from being in that program. I still hope they lose every game starting with Western Mich this weekend but give the dude some credit.

Sure, just make sure you give butch Jones credit for Alvin Kamara as well

 

[The Original Fade]

Did you know over the last 5 years only bama,Ohio state and LSU have had more players drafted than Michigan? I’d say a few of those high schoolers got better…

Harbaugh would have a much better resume’ if that talent was being developed. Developing is different than recruiting

 

[The Original Fade]

Yeah right. You must know what you are talking about, except Mich has had 42 players drafted to the NFL in the past 5 drafts. That's 8.4 per year if you are counting. But yeah, other than that, I'm sure you are right.

As I stated to another poster, if those studs were really being developed, Harbaugh wouldn’t be on the verge of being canned almost every year. They’re getting drafted on potential, not production

 

[Otis1105]

Harbaugh would have a much better resume’ if that talent was being developed. Developing is different than recruiting

The NFL isn’t a development league. Unless they are coming out of high school just ready for the league (they aren’t) then there is development happening. Maybe strictly on the defensive side I don’t have those numbers.