What South Carolina forums think of Joe Milton

[SpookyAction]

Milton is going to light them up and Tennessee is going to blow them out.

A good plan will win the game with good execution.
Rattler has to get hit or he will pick our secondary apart.
I agree with the posts advocating for a blitzing plan.

On offense, block with a RB or TE on passing downs, and use the Clemson gameplan.
That, with Joe running the ball consistently on designed draws, should open up opportunities. I like to think the QB carries in the UTSA game are demonstrating a new wrinkle in this offense.
We averaged 5.4 yds/carry against USCe last season, vs 4 yds/carry for the roosters.

Our deficiencies on OLine could be minimized with someone having to shadow Joe and a downfield pass threat. Milton came through against a better defense in the Orange Bowl. I just have to believe McCoy and/or Thornton, as well as Milton delivering the ball, are going to step up to be the big play receiver. If no WRs step up, it may be a frustrating season.

 

[BradstarVols]

A good plan will win the game with good execution.
Rattler has to get hit or he will pick our secondary apart.
I agree with the posts advocating for a blitzing plan.

On offense, block with a RB or TE on passing downs, and use the Clemson gameplan.
That, with Joe running the ball consistently on designed draws, should open up opportunities. I like to think the QB carries in the UTSA game are demonstrating a new wrinkle in this offense.
We averaged 5.4 yds/carry against USCe last season, vs 4 yds/carry for the roosters.

Our deficiencies on OLine could be minimized with someone having to shadow Joe and a downfield pass threat. Milton came through against a better defense in the Orange Bowl. I just have to believe McCoy and/or Thornton, as well as Milton delivering the ball, are going to step up to be the big play receiver. If no WRs step up, it may be a frustrating season.

I personally think TN will be getting good pressure with the front 4, but I'm sure blitzing will be mixed in.

 

[Pickle1]

Didn’t hear much of that last year when hooker was quarterback. Or the year before (except when Milton was terrible to start the season). I didn’t hear anything when Dobbs was qb. Or Bray. When our fans see a good quarterback out on the field we aren’t complaining.

Fans pour everything into support for their team. We buy apparel, game tickets, watch the game, etc. We pour or hard earned money into the program and have every right to voice our opinions. It’s perfectly normal and acceptable so long as it’s done in a respectful manner and expressed in the right forum (by the way this is absolutely the correct forum here).

Milton isn’t a good qb. Coaches make a million little decisions. And a few big ones. Heuple has done almost everything right during his time here. But one of the biggest decisions they make is who they choose for their qb. And that decision is even more significant for heuple than others because we run a super complex offensive system. And unfortunately…Heupel got this one wrong. It’s disappointing because Milton has never been good. He wasn’t good at Michigan and he wasn’t good to start his tenure here. For all the amazing things Heupel does with qbs he for whatever reason couldn’t see past Milton’s physical capabilities and recognize he doesn’t have the ability to consistently makes the ordinary/routine passes.

Good news is we have Milton is a 6th year senior. There’s no more need to worry about him sucking for us after this year. And it’s hard to even fathom nico won’t be better. I honestly believe any other qb on our roster that’s had as much time and work in heupel’s system would be more consistent at hitting the open receivers.

We have the right coach. We just have to support the team this year and deal with what’s going to be a big step back (because he’s not perfect and made a big mistake). We aren’t going to be good teams with Milton missing 75% of the deep open shots on defensive breakdowns.

Hopefully the staff will find more opportunities to get Nico involved and we can finish this season decent and polish off a good recruiting class. Knowing we have a generational talent, taking over after this year will absolutely provide optimism for our fans. You won’t hear fans complaining about the all fans at the same time next season. I’d bet the house on it.

I don’t understand why Heupel doesn’t use Gaston Moore some, he is much more accurate with his passing. I for one would love to see him in there for a few series!

 

[JohnWardForever]

They could care less about nico because he ain’t playing.

Edit to add:
We were literally up 31-14 and they still didn’t put him in today until the last 7 or 8 minutes. If that’s not a sign they don’t want to risk an injury on him, then I don’t know what is.

OR maybe don't want Nico to look too good? Hype had to be injury forced to change before. He is riding with Milton, regardless.

 

[JohnWardForever]

I don’t understand why Heupel doesn’t use Gaston Moore some, he is much more accurate with his passing. I for one would love to see him in there for a few series!

He is devoted to Joe. SO, can't have someone come in and look too good, which would make CJH not look too good. ?? May be.

 

[DaddyChad]

Unfortunately some in this fan base expect superhuman "perfect" players.

Yep. That’s obviously what everyone is expecting here. I think everyone here would be fine with an even mediocre secondary at this point.

 

[MemphisVol77]

He is devoted to Joe. SO, can't have someone come in and look too good, which would make CJH not look too good. ?? May be.

Dude..... in what reality is Heupel's stature diminished if Nico were to outperform Milton? Saban was praised for benching J. Hurt in the title game. Dabo was praised for pulling the trigger on Trevor Lawrence mid season.

Heupel's reputation for developing QB's (and getting results) was established long before Milton came into the picture, and will remain intact regardless of how well Milton finishes the year.

Edit: The simple premise of your suppositions are asinine.

If Heupel thought Nico would play better, he has everything to gain by playing him.

If Heupel thought Nico wasn't ready to run the offense, that would explain not playing him however.

I sure hope Heupel doesn't sabotage Nico's next 4 years and his own standing as HC just so everyone thinks he made the right choice not giving a true freshman QB more snaps 4 games into the season.

 

[bpalmer28]

Dude..... in what reality is Heupel's stature diminished if Nico were to outperform Milton? Saban was praised for benching J. Hurt in the title game. Dabo was praised for pulling the trigger on Trevor Lawrence mid season.

Heupel's reputation for developing QB's (and getting results) was established long before Milton came into the picture, and will remain intact regardless of how well Milton finishes the year.

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Exactly. And that’s the 2nd poster I’ve seen post something like that tonight

 

[bpalmer28]

Dude..... in what reality is Heupel's stature diminished if Nico were to outperform Milton? Saban was praised for benching J. Hurt in the title game. Dabo was praised for pulling the trigger on Trevor Lawrence mid season.

Heupel's reputation for developing QB's (and getting results) was established long before Milton came into the picture, and will remain intact regardless of how well Milton finishes the year.

Edit: The simple premise of your suppositions are asinine.

If Heupel thought Nico would play better, he has everything to gain by playing him.

If Heupel thought Nico wasn't ready to run the offense, that would explain not playing him however.

I sure Heupel doesn't sabotage Nico's next 4 years and his own standing as HC just so everyone thinks he made the right choice not giving a true freshman QB more snaps 4 games into the season.

Also, here’s a hot take: Heupel will be praised for sticking with Milton.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Also, here’s a hot take: Heupel will be praised for sticking with Milton.

As I perceive it, It's a catch-22 of circular logic the proponents for playing Nico are using. After the tinfoil theories that posit Heupel favors a particular QB over winning, some suggest Heupel is wrong in his assessment of QB's. Their answer seems to be that Heupel should play Nico just incase his assessment is wrong.

I'm sure as hell the most catastrophic thing he could do if he's right (Milton being better or Nico simply not being ready), is to play Nico anyway. In no reality does a bowl team get praised for compromising their season. I don't think we've got enough 5 Star Hearts or Champions of Life on our roster to pull that off.

 

[Checker_the_Shire]

OR maybe don't want Nico to look too good? Hype had to be injury forced to change before. He is riding with Milton, regardless.

If CJH were Butch Jones, I’d agree with you. But nothing in the three years he’s been here has shown me that CJH isn’t a competitor. He’s not gonna sit a guy like that just because he doesn’t want him looking good. That’s just silly.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I want Rattler well, Rattled, I hope the crowd brings hell with them this game...I want them destroyed, mangled and beaten ...I hope UT is good and pissed off over last year.

I have several SoCar fans that live around me. You’d think they’d had a Georgia type run. They thought they would go undefeated this year and maybe win it all.
And they’re obnoxious about it. I have said nothing to them over the years like 2 years ago when we beat them stupid.

I’ll be alright if we don’t win but if we do I might actually talk a little smack

 

[VOLnMiami]

I have several SoCar fans that live around me. You’d think they’d had a Georgia type run. They thought they would go undefeated this year and maybe win it all.
And they’re obnoxious about it. I have said nothing to them over the years like 2 years ago when we beat them stupid.

I’ll be alright if we don’t win but if we do I might actually talk a little smack

I wouldn't blame you lol...I am stuck down here surrounded by Gator fans so yeah I am getting beaten to death with stupid comments...I even told many of them I never said a word last year when we beat you so now why you feel the need to jump on me because you understand what comes around goes around and I will be waiting...Oh yes I will.

 

[JGS III]

So the constant chorus of 'Milton sucks' coming from these boards is 'standing with him'?

I’ve criticized him, I do not think he is the guy for the job being a 6th year season and still not getting it. With that being said I think he is a stand up guy and I hope he proves me wrong with some of the games coming up. I’ll back him but at this point either you have it or you don’t.

 

[tennrich1]

Are you sure you didn’t copy and paste this from Volnation?

 

[lastlapuncle]

Just play the damn game Saturday and shut up about who you may think is a good qb.

 

[allenfan1]

It’s all true. Milton is not a good passer. Pretty much all there is to it.

I think going with Milton is the only significant mistake Heupel has made as coach here and now he’s repeated the same mistake again. I don’t know if it’s arrogance? Or being stubborn?

At this point, I think we just have to ride with them because it is a complex offensive system that requires time to learn. Setting up protections and knowing where to go with the ball based on the looks the defense is giving you, etc.

But we’ve seen enough of Milton to know exactly what he is. He just can’t consistently throw accurate passes. It’s that simple. Many of us worried coming into the year this would be the case. I convinced myself that if anybody could turn him into a great quarterback it’s heupel. But we’ve seen guys like JG that have great size, learn the playbook, and are great leaders but just are unable to consistently make routine throws.

I feel like for his career Milton misses more wide-open, receivers 20 yards plus down the field then he hits. Honestly, I don’t even think it’s close. It feels like he only connects on one out of three or so. Today there were five deep shot wide open, and he missed them all. The pass to Keyton wasn’t wide open, but he put a little air under it and Keaton made a great play. He missed all the other defensive breakdown deep throws as well as at least 2 short/intermediate throws that would’ve went for touchdowns.

He’s a good kid and a good leader. I think he does a good job getting the teams in the right look most of the time. But it’s just not a good passer. I think Heupel just got so enamored with his size and arm strength that he didn’t even consider the most fundamental trait a quarterback must possess. It’s like a shooting guard in basketball that is 6’6”
and has a 40 inch vertical… but is a very poor shooter. At the end of the day… Give me the less physically capable guy that has a pure shooting stroke.

It must be a complex system, he still hasn't learned it after 3 years

 

[Pride85]

Dude..... in what reality is Heupel's stature diminished if Nico were to outperform Milton? Saban was praised for benching J. Hurt in the title game. Dabo was praised for pulling the trigger on Trevor Lawrence mid season.

Heupel's reputation for developing QB's (and getting results) was established long before Milton came into the picture, and will remain intact regardless of how well Milton finishes the year.

Edit: The simple premise of your suppositions are asinine.

If Heupel thought Nico would play better, he has everything to gain by playing him.

If Heupel thought Nico wasn't ready to run the offense, that would explain not playing him however.

I sure hope Heupel doesn't sabotage Nico's next 4 years and his own standing as HC just so everyone thinks he made the right choice not giving a true freshman QB more snaps 4 games into the season.

Awesome breakdown. Some posters on here are merely posers. They act like they have some sort of inside information , or psychic ability to know what is going on behind the scenes. It has been pretty consistent statement that Nico is struggling with some aspect of the offense. When it is taken care of, CJH will not hesitate to put the QB on the field that gives us the best chance to win. He did not hesitate when Hooker came in the replace Milton and showed he was better at the scheme. I doubt he suddenly changed his philosophy.

 

[chattavol420]

It must be a complex system, he still hasn't learned it after 3 years

Hahah! Yep.

Realistically, I think he has the system down. It seems like most of the players are on the same page most of the time. Milton just isn’t an accurate passer and doesn’t have tons of moxie or the “it” factor. Hooker made a lot of his best plays when the pocket would break down. He made an amazing 40+ yard run last year against Florida when it seemed like he was going to be sacked. He’s also a number of times rolled left or right only to immediately be under pressure yet the able to get the ball out super quick avoiding the sack. Your quarterback just has to be able to do something extra for you to be a great team. And we all know unfortunately that Milton isn’t that guy.

 

[Behr]

I wouldn't blame you lol...I am stuck down here surrounded by Gator fans so yeah I am getting beaten to death with stupid comments...I even told many of them I never said a word last year when we beat you so now why you feel the need to jump on me because you understand what comes around goes around and I will be waiting...Oh yes I will.

Dude, if the gater fans around you are like the idiots I have to deal with, the reason you didn't say anything to them after our win is because you never saw them.

One of the many things I hate about them. Dish it out but can't and won't take it. Lil bishes.

 

[utis1]

Ws and Ls depend on the running game. If they can get going on the ground, Joe can make enough throws to keep the chains moving and keep the defense honest. That’s all he needs to do imo.

Run the dang ball.

Ability to run the ball in this offense has a high dependency on consistently hitting high percentage passes. If that doesn’t happen the defense keys in on the run and it becomes considerably less effective.

 

[VOLfrombama]

Ability to run the ball in this offense has a high dependency on consistently hitting high percentage passes. If that doesn’t happen the defense keys in on the run and it becomes considerably less effective.

I agree with what you're saying, but I would add that sustaining the run over the course of the game depends on the ability to hit the high percentage passess. Deep balls are not high percentage passes though. So the short to mid passing game has to be on point.

If a D can stop the run while still dropping 6, they can defend the pass game much better. Running the ball is typically going to result in the D loading the box. That creates the 1 on 1s that this O needs to go over the top. That is what makes this O go boom and also what made Hooker so deadly last season. He could run and throw deep, so Heup was able to keep the D guessing.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Sure ya did

Believe what you want pal. JG gave his all for UT, that is undeniable.

So I challenge you to find one derogatory post I made about JG or JM3.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

How did those work against a real SEC defense?

Also, I really shouldn't even engage with someone with your 100% lack of class.
And you would never say that to my face. I completely guarantee it.

Your first two sentences were intelligent and well-thought.
Your final sentence is juvenile, hateful, and the kind of post that makes a thread hostile, when it should be fun and engaging between members.
Figure out how to disagree without making people totally want to shut you and your posts out of their minds.

I am sick of keyboard tough guys crashing this forum.
Everyone hates crap like your last sentence while we are just wanting to hang out and discuss the VOLS.

I apologize. After awhile I just get sick of all the Milton haters up in here and I took it out on you.

 

[BradentonVol]

I apologize. After awhile I just get sick of all the Milton haters up in here and I took it out on you.

If I may chime in here, I think you wrong with your opinion of “Milton Haters”. I don’t think there is a Tennessee fan that hates Milton (or, I hope not). Some just don’t think he’s the best option at QB, after 6 years and with the mistakes he still makes. I support him because he wears the “T” but, I do hope he can improve or Nico gets ready. We have to get better play from our QB.