What the hell is going on??!

#126
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
The context I understand is or at least I believe it is a site like Rivals only counts your highest rated 20 commitments. Sign 25-30, and 5-10 don't even count. As long as UT signs 20, their ranking in relation to the rest of the SEC matters. Twist it any way you want. It matters.
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These posters keep posting this nonsense about our class being smaller this year and thus that is why we are ranked lower and everything is fine. Anyone who looks at the rankings can clearly see this is BS. The top 4 schools in the Rivals rankings have 20 or less recruits thus far on Rivals (LSU 20, Old Miss 20, Ohio State 18, and Clemson a measly 16).

As I pointed out a few days ago, what shocks me is that we do not have 1 coach in the top 100 in recruiting this year. Most of the top schools have at least 2 coaches in the top 100 (some have more). Thig is in the 130s the last I checked and I read on this board that he has burned bridges at high schools so maybe that explains his lack of recruiting.

The wheels have come off on the Vol recruiting machine no matter what anyone on this board is saying. Maybe it can be fixed before signing day, but right now we are in trouble if we want to compete with the top schools and win championships.

Yes, it matters.
 
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HwyChile said:
These posters keep posting this nonsense about our class being smaller this year and thus that is why we are ranked lower and everything is fine. Anyone who looks at the rankings can clearly see this is BS. The top 4 schools in the Rivals rankings have 20 or less recruits thus far on Rivals (LSU 20, Old Miss 20, Ohio State 18, and Clemson a measly 16).

As I pointed out a few days ago, what shocks me is that we do not have 1 coach in the top 100 in recruiting this year. Most of the top schools have at least 2 coaches in the top 100 (some have more). Thig is in the 130s the last I checked and I read on this board that he has burned bridges at high schools so maybe that explains his lack of recruiting.

The wheels have come off on the Vol recruiting machine no matter what anyone on this board is saying. Maybe it can be fixed before signing day, but right now we are in trouble if we want to compete with the top schools and win championships.

Yes, it matters.
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I don't think the wheels are coming off at all. WR recruiting is really the only glaring issue I see. Butch hired Scott and Shoop. That may have been in part to push some new blood into a staff that was going a bit stale. I want to see UT top 5 in recruiting every year.I'm sure if this ends up a down year(15-20), Butch will get it fixed. He's earned it.
 
#128
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VolGee4 said:
No idea. We won 9 games for the first time in a decade, we lost our 4 games by 17 points, we dominated a bowl game, the #2 Juco DT and a high level CB are enrolling early, we just hired an elite defensive coirdinator, we have had 2 top 5 classes, and we will finish with more great players in this class. I have no idea why we should feel good.
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Those are great accomplishments and I'm proud of my Vols. But those are the rewards of recruiting well and recruiting top players to fit needs. I'm just concerned for this class is all I'm saying. If we close strong I'll be happy but we're down the home stretch and, based off our accomplishments, some things haven't added up. I trust Butch but it's at the very least a puzzling situation
 
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Get it? Name of the thread.

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Brave Volunteer said:
I love it when a poster expresses concern over recruiting and they immediately get ridiculed by other posters by accusing them of acting like the sky is falling. No one thinks the sky is falling. However by that same token, you shouldn't be acting like a bunch of condescending "Baghdad Bobs" who think our low recruiting ranking doesnt at least raise a red flag and warrant SOME level of concern. A program that is trending up like ours is right now shouldn't be struggling to stay in the top 20 in recruiting , even when numbers are limited. Just because some of us want to know why doesnt mean we're panicking.
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Man its nice to have fans like you on my side! lol The problem is that all the crucifiers are just trying so hard to come off hard and look cool pleasing each other...when in reality they look like the clueless clowns.
 
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UTMVol76 said:
We're the only team, IMO, that stood toe to toe with Bama this year.
...they gave Ole Miss their win with 5 turnovers.
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Yep.....and it took an off week for us to rest and regroup while the Bubbas were playing their 8th straight game...

Very BEST of an ideal situation for us.....:salute:
 
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kw3953 said:
FACT. First 20 in the order of each recruit's respective individual ranking, PERIOD (as far is class commitment rankings). If we only sign 19, or 19 and a kicker, we may falter... This is for at least a couple of the ranking sites right? :unsure:
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correct... instead of just looking at a raw number like rank one must look at what guys are being signed for..

Like it or not you don't sign a 5 star for depth. Because he isn't gonna be ok with sitting on the bench 2+ years waiting his turn. We don't have the profile for that right now.

Look at our Depth chart, we have had very few holes in the 2 deep. Recruits are seeing this making it a harder sell than the past 2 years.

And yes as a previous poster suggested most sites do rate the top 20 commits.if we already had 20 commitments at the same average we have now we should be in the top 10. We are lagging behind in the rankings for that reason exactly, numbers.

As an example, there are actually 4 teams ranked ahead of us that have averages lower than ours, they are only ahead because they have more kids signed raising their total rating.

An even better example. Florida is ranked 6th on 24/7 wit ha 88.35 average. We are ranked at 23 with an average recruit ranking of 88.25. Why so far ahead? we have 16 guys for a total of 208.7 and they have 26 for a total of 255.51.

Also iirc Jucos are a weird grey area on most of the sites rating wise.
 
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HwyChile said:
These posters keep posting this nonsense about our class being smaller this year and thus that is why we are ranked lower and everything is fine. Anyone who looks at the rankings can clearly see this is BS. The top 4 schools in the Rivals rankings have 20 or less recruits thus far on Rivals (LSU 20, Old Miss 20, Ohio State 18, and Clemson a measly 16).

As I pointed out a few days ago, what shocks me is that we do not have 1 coach in the top 100 in recruiting this year. Most of the top schools have at least 2 coaches in the top 100 (some have more). Thig is in the 130s the last I checked and I read on this board that he has burned bridges at high schools so maybe that explains his lack of recruiting.

The wheels have come off on the Vol recruiting machine no matter what anyone on this board is saying. Maybe it can be fixed before signing day, but right now we are in trouble if we want to compete with the top schools and win championships.

Yes, it matters.
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Absolutely. I have been following recruiting before Peyton was a Freshman. We are not in good shape this year. Small class is a terrible terrible excuse.
 
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bignewt said:
For all of you bashing this class, why do YOU think its so 'bad?"
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They're going by star ratings.

We have some very good players positionally.

I wouldn't trade our QB for any other player. I think CFA is the third best RB in the country for our system. Osborne is going to be a beast at CB. I also like Henderson at DB as well. Oline is shaping up fairly nice as well. WR is the one position that I think we still need that stud player.
 
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WR recruiting is the only real issue I see. WRs just don't like what they saw this year from the Vols. Understandable I think. In state recruiting looks to have dropped off a cliff as well. Hopefully the new hires can help fix that mess soon.
 
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UTVolWarrior98 said:
We have had a tempestuous couple of months regarding our commits de-committing. Slaps to the face after slaps to the face, nothing but terrible news! I know this chit happens in the recruiting world, especially in January, but this is VERY odd. We've lost some solid recruits and it hurts. Kongbo is the latest debacle. Why? Is Butch telling these kids to go elsewhere? They just all change their mind? Aces up staff's sleeves?

I guess what I am wondering is what gives here? Why the huge slide in recruiting? It really has become alarming and disheartening.
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http://www.volnation.com/forum/tenn.../212161-cant-tennessee-land-top-recruits.html

You must LOVE the word tempestuous! Try a new one every now and then.
 
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MDBJJC said:
Absolutely. I have been following recruiting before Peyton was a Freshman. We are not in good shape this year. Small class is a terrible terrible excuse.
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Is this class done yet? Nope. I havent followed recruiting as long as you, but I have knowledged since the 90s. I'd say your jimmies are rustled, you need to chillax a bit, and let Butch work it like missy Elliot. All you are doing is giving yourself grey hairs in your no sun spots with all your assuming and worrying.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
WR recruiting is the only real issue I see. WRs just don't like what they saw this year from the Vols. Understandable I think. In state recruiting looks to have dropped off a cliff as well. Hopefully the new hires can help fix that mess soon.
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These elite WR cruits see that under CZA the receiving core hasnt produced good numbers.
 
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jbr82 said:
These elite WR cruits see that under CZA the receiving core hasnt produced good numbers.
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I think a lot of us fans see what the WR issues are. I'm a little shocked it seems our coaches may not. Hopefully CZA is hired by some desperate school at the coaches convention and Butch can hire Gattis. Better WR coach and an ace recruiter. Solves our problems.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
I think a lot of us fans see what the WR issues are. I'm a little shocked it seems our coaches may not. Hopefully CZA is hired by some desperate school at the coaches convention and Butch can hire Gattis. Better WR coach and an ace recruiter. Solves our problems.
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I agree crunch
 
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HwyChile said:
These posters keep posting this nonsense about our class being smaller this year and thus that is why we are ranked lower and everything is fine. Anyone who looks at the rankings can clearly see this is BS. The top 4 schools in the Rivals rankings have 20 or less recruits thus far on Rivals (LSU 20, Old Miss 20, Ohio State 18, and Clemson a measly 16).

As I pointed out a few days ago, what shocks me is that we do not have 1 coach in the top 100 in recruiting this year. Most of the top schools have at least 2 coaches in the top 100 (some have more). Thig is in the 130s the last I checked and I read on this board that he has burned bridges at high schools so maybe that explains his lack of recruiting.

The wheels have come off on the Vol recruiting machine no matter what anyone on this board is saying. Maybe it can be fixed before signing day, but right now we are in trouble if we want to compete with the top schools and win championships.

Yes, it matters.
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Yep, the wheels have certainly come off.

Every year, you have certain positions that you put more of an emphasis on than others based on need. Therefore, you have to recruit those positions, and you limit yourselves. When you can only take 20 as opposed to 27, then it limits the overall pool from which to recruit. If we could take more this year, then we would be looking at more four star players at other positions (but RB, DE, and even LB are not positions of need this year). You are crazy if you think having a lower number of scholarships doesn't effect the overall ranking. The greater scholarships you can offer, the better chance of having a good class. Kind of like the more shots I get in a basketball game, the greater chance I have of scoring more points.

I don't care how you slice it, we are recruiting for needs, and this class was not going to better than the last 2. In addition, our staff is very good at evaluating talent, and I am very confident in abilities of who they get signed.
 
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