What we are getting with Barton

#26
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bwings said:
I don't think Pastner has anything to worry about. He did just get an extension and 2.65 mil ayear.

You guys will love Barton. He's really been more of a 2 but played point at times. I would sure rather have him than Golden. I think AB will be more consistant.
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That's all we want, consistency from him.

Ill take 8pts 3ast every night if he's playing tough D and bringing consistent effort. Sure trae scores more, but what he gave up defensively kind off offset his offensive production.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
That's all we want, consistency from him.

Ill take 8pts 3ast every night if he's playing tough D and bringing consistent effort. Sure trae scores more, but what he gave up defensively kind off offset his offensive production.
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And as we know, we could pretty much chalk up an L if Golden struggled in offense.

You know I was a huge Golden homer, but for next year, I think Barton will be more conducive for the team. That may not be the case any other year, but theoretically, we shouldn't be struggling on offense this season.
 
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zjcvols said:
Barton brings three things:

1) Great outside shooting

2) Great, hard nosed defense

3) More consistency

Barton can't break down a defense like Golden nor can he pass like Golden. I'd say ball handling is about the same. But he'll be more consistent and better defense. Tough to say it's an immediate upgrade, but he will replace Golden's production.
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Golden can't break down a defense and is not a good passer, so not sure about that part.

If he can not be a head case as a leader and can be someone the players and coaches can count on, its an upgrade
 
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zjcvols said:
Barton brings three things:

1) Great outside shooting

2) Great, hard nosed defense

3) More consistency

Barton can't break down a defense like Golden nor can he pass like Golden. I'd say ball handling is about the same. But he'll be more consistent and better defense. Tough to say it's an immediate upgrade, but he will replace Golden's production.
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Your last sentence....what do you mean? Upgrade...= to golde
 
#36
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Golden averaged 12 points and 4 dimes. Anyone who thinks we don't need scoring is delusional. Stokes is not a consistent scorer. Gibbs has never played college ball. maymon is coming off of a major injury. McRae will have to carry this team offensively at times.
 
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bwings said:
I don't think Pastner has anything to worry about. He did just get an extension and 2.65 mil ayear.

You guys will love Barton. He's really been more of a 2 but played point at times. I would sure rather have him than Golden. I think AB will be more consistant.
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Yeah and if I'm a tiger fan that GREATLY concerns me....especially now that his recruiter is gone...
 
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BOP said:
Golden averaged 12 points and 4 dimes. Anyone who thinks we don't need scoring is delusional. Stokes is not a consistent scorer. Gibbs has never played college ball. maymon is coming off of a major injury. McRae will have to carry this team offensively at times.
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Who the F is Gibbs?

And if Stokes wasn't a consistent scorer, then what kind of scorer was Golden?

We don't need our PG to score it's that simple...McRae 15ppg, Stokes 13ppg, Hubbs 10ppg, Maymon 10ppg, Richardson 8ppg. That's 56ppg, add in some from the bench, and 6-8 from Barton and that's plenty of scoring.
 
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BOP said:
Golden averaged 12 points and 4 dimes. Anyone who thinks we don't need scoring is delusional. Stokes is not a consistent scorer. Gibbs has never played college ball. maymon is coming off of a major injury. McRae will have to carry this team offensively at times.
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Calling Stokes an inconsistant scorer while saying Golden is consistant is just stupid. Golden was so up and down it was ridiculous
 
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I want barton to push the tempo...sometimes it was like trae would be like "guys i'm tired let's walk the ball up the floor" when Jordan and josh and even stokes sometimes were sprinting up the floor
 
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tennrich1 said:
Yeah and if I'm a tiger fan that GREATLY concerns me....especially now that his recruiter is gone...
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He hired Kirby who was instrumental in LSU's good class. He is from Memphis. Don't expect recruiting to fall off that much.
 
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ShowSomePride said:
Calling Stokes an inconsistant scorer while saying Golden is consistant is just stupid. Golden was so up and down it was ridiculous
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BINGO. Just another example of BOP speaking out of his a$$ simply to be negative.

Golden has 12 games he scored less than 10 points

Stokes had 11 games he scored less than 10 points

Stokes played 2 more games than Golden. BOP says Stokes is inconsistent, but argues the greatness that was Trae Golden...ok.
 
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Vols4life said:
I want barton to push the tempo...sometimes it was like trae would be like "guys i'm tired let's walk the ball up the floor" when Jordan and josh and even stokes sometimes were sprinting up the floor
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If Maymon and Stokes are on the floor at the same time we will not be pushing the ball up the floor. We will be doing was CCM likes best and that is a grind it out halfcourt game.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
BINGO. Just another example of BOP speaking out of his a$$ simply to be negative.

Golden has 12 games he scored less than 10 points

Stokes had 11 games he scored less than 10 points

Stokes played 2 more games than Golden. BOP says Stokes is inconsistent, but argues the greatness that was Trae Golden...ok.
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BOP's posts are riddled with inconsistency. He simply laces them with points that further his agenda while ignoring points that poke Grand Canyon-sized holes in said agenda. Typical loudmouth poster who develops a contorversial opinion simply for the sake of being controversial, and will defend it tooth-and-nail despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary.
 
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TBtheGBwiththeTD said:
Trae is a better player, but I honestly think Barton fits our team better than Trae. We don't need the PG to put up a ton of points. We need a reliable ball handler who can defend and control the tempo. If Barton can limit turnovers, Hubbs provides another guy who can get his own shot. Barton needs to Shoot well, D up and not try to do too much. I think he will do the last 2 things better than Trae did. They are comparable open 3 shooters.
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I agree with the majority of this, sans the last sentence.

Barton shot 40% from the 3-point line last season and is a career 41.6% shooter from there. Golden shot 29.5% last season and is a career 32.6% shooter from the 3-point line. ~10% difference is a pretty sizeable gap.

I doubt we ever see any of the 1-10, 2-12 type clunkers from Barton that we saw from Golden. If for no other reason, he just won't be asked to shoulder that type of offensive load IMO.
 
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zjcvols said:
Barton brings three things:

1) Great outside shooting

2) Great, hard nosed defense

3) More consistency

Barton can't break down a defense like Golden nor can he pass like Golden. I'd say ball handling is about the same. But he'll be more consistent and better defense. Tough to say it's an immediate upgrade, but he will replace Golden's production.
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Serious question. How many alley oops was Golden responsible for? I've watched him miss open court passes for dunks over and over. I wasn't much of a Golden fan in the assist catagory.
 
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zjcvols said:
Barton brings three things:

1) Great outside shooting

2) Great, hard nosed defense

3) More consistency

Barton can't break down a defense like Golden nor can he pass like Golden. I'd say ball handling is about the same. But he'll be more consistent and better defense. Tough to say it's an immediate upgrade, but he will replace Golden's production.
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Not so sure on Golden as a passer. He was pretty decent in transition I guess, rare as that opportunity was for this team. He was lousy (as was the rest of the team save for McBee) at feeding the post though. Perhaps the absence of Maymon may have led to that as well?
 
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#49
I think it's a mistake to immediately assume Barton will be better than Golden. Golden was a proven commodity (for better and for worse) at the SEC level whereas Barton was a backup on a talented but underachieving Memphis team that played in CUSA. At times, Golden was an excellent player for UT and, at other times, he really struggled. In all honesty, I wish he was still on the team. What can be said, however, is that, under the circumstances, CCM went out and filled a huge need with a senior PG who is talented, seems to be more athletic and a better outside shooter than Golden, and, because of the circumstances and his talent, was a perfect match for UT. It is truly a great match for player and program and I hope Barton and UT are ready for a Sweet Sixteen, or deeper, tournament run.
 
#50
#50
Barton is a little quicker than Golden and a little better shooter from the field. His free throw shooting has been bad hopefully that will change. Golden was a better assist man and could probably get to the rim better. Overall I think it is about an even swap.
 
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