When will we see teams refusing to play?

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Why can’t they? A player’s likeness is more valuable with more exposure. The contract is supposed to be between the 3rd party collective and the player so why couldn’t there be a ballon payment made after meeting all expectations (including participating in the post season)?
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That would be the definition of pay-to-play would it not?
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Lets hope things don't get to that level but I do agree that if some restrictions or changes, not a $ cap, are not put on the NIL program, getting out of control is a real possibility. Who knows what that means.
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Oh, it's poised to spin out of control. The commercialism and greed went rampant---more games, a playoff, ridiculous conference expansion, and then even more ridiculous and illogical conference expansion and contraction, and /EVERYBODY/ in the portal, and recruiting as a bribery contest, and now a bigger playoff and even more games---8 games became 10 and then 12 and soon 14 or 16? Now it's appeasing the student-athletes in every way, forgetting that they are full-time students. I hope we see band members and cheerleaders demanding pay--and then higher pay--and then going on strike in original ways. I want to see bands marching out onto the field, then refusing to play and marching back off the field. That would be brilliant. I want to see cheerleaders run out to their accustomed spots and then throw down the pompoms and run off the field in protest. I want to see it all get really crazy so that everyone can see how absurd this road is--college sports that has dropped the "college" aspect of it.
 
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adam.vol said:
Universities will have to share tv revenue with players beyond scholarships, at some point.
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If TV revenue sharing is agreed to or mandated, then universities should stop offering scholarships. They could save a big chunk of money. If you want to go professional with all this, then the student-athletes should pay their own way. There is apparently little concern about the academic and academic-scholarship side now anyway. Notice that it's about a $250K financial benefit, over four years, that never gets mentioned.
 
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DowsaTV said:
OP, do you mean like a player strike for all the players that aren't making any money? That is an interesting concept.
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Yes, that’s what I’m referring to. If we are going to treat it like a business, players will want to be paid fairly. I realize some will make more. Just like in the professional leagues. But when you have an offensive lineman that might get little to no compensation, he may be less likely to protect the blind side of the qb making 4 million.
 
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turbovol said:
If TV revenue sharing is agreed to or mandated, then universities should stop offering scholarships. They could save a big chunk of money. If you want to go professional with all this, then the student-athletes should pay their own way. There is apparently little concern about the academic and academic-scholarship side now anyway. Notice that it's about a $250K financial benefit, over four years, that never gets mentioned.
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That depends on how much the tv revenue is worth (I expect it to be worth more in the SEC). Garnish the scholarship money from their checks and either the player or the university makes up the deficit.
 
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turbovol said:
If TV revenue sharing is agreed to or mandated, then universities should stop offering scholarships. They could save a big chunk of money. If you want to go professional with all this, then the student-athletes should pay their own way. There is apparently little concern about the academic and academic-scholarship side now anyway. Notice that it's about a $250K financial benefit, over four years, that never gets mentioned.
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I agree. These “student-athletes” get a free education, food, medical care. If they want NIL
Money then they should pay for the above mentioned benefits. If you don’t get or decline a NIL Deal and play for the name on the front and not the back. Then scholarship it is.
 
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GoVols9800 said:
I’m not speaking of teams as a whole. I’m talking about large numbers of players refusing to play. Similar to a strike. And I’m not referring to only bowl games.
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That would be a sight. A school shows up with 20-something players to collect a paycheck and put on a charade of a contest.
 
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Boston Vol said:
They can’t do that for a NIL deal. However, once players become employees, then schools could write language into a contract that would require participation in all post season games.
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I would think it would depend on who is paying the NIL money. If I had a company that was going to pay a players NIL I should be able to put stipulations on it. The player could take it or leave it.
 
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GoVols9800 said:
I’m not speaking of teams as a whole. I’m talking about large numbers of players refusing to play. Similar to a strike. And I’m not referring to only bowl games.
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What other games are players currently opting out of?
 
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BeardedVol said:
What other games are players currently opting out of?
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I’m saying, it may be a problem in the future. May not as well. My original post was to discuss the possibility. I hope to hell it never happens but I never thought we would be seeing what we are currently witnessing
 
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BeardedVol said:
What other games are players currently opting out of?
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Not sure but in basketball 64 teams get a shot at the NC. Similar for baseball. No one is opting out with a shot at a championship.

Football is the only sport where the post season for 98% of teams is meaningless.

All the other sports aren’t filled with athletes that have million dollar professional careers in sports ahead of them. A handful of Olympic athletes at best.
 
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GoVols9800 said:
I’m saying, it may be a problem in the future. May not as well. My original post was to discuss the possibility. I hope to hell it never happens but I never thought we would be seeing what we are currently witnessing
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So, to confirm, you want to worry about a problem that "may exist in the future" when there are zero indicators that it is going to happen at all, much less on a large scale?

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BenGrimm said:
Not sure but in basketball 64 teams get a shot at the NC. Similar for baseball. No one is opting out with a shot at a championship.

Football is the only sport where the post season for 98% of teams is meaningless.

All the other sports aren’t filled with athletes that have million dollar professional careers in sports ahead of them. A handful of Olympic athletes at best.
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OP said they weren't talking about just bowl games.
 
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BeardedVol said:
So, to confirm, you want to worry about a problem that "may exist in the future" when there are zero indicators that it is going to happen at all, much less on a large scale?

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Did you see me use the word worried in any of my posts? This is a discussion board. Everything involving the future “may or may not” happen. And as far as your “indication” word you throw out there. Opting out of bowl games is already a “large scale” issue. As the business culture grows in college sports any selfish or me first mentality will continue to grow. The brotherhood and family mentality crumbles when money is involved.
 
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GoVols9800 said:
Did you see me use the word worried in any of my posts? This is a discussion board. Everything involving the future “may or may not” happen. And as far as your “indication” word you throw out there. Opting out of bowl games is already a “large scale” issue. As the business culture grows in college sports any selfish or me first mentality will continue to grow. The brotherhood and family mentality crumbles when money is involved.
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I'd say that starting a new thread to discuss this possible scenario, of which there are currently no indications that it's even remotely on the horizon, is indictive in and of itself that you are concerned about it.
 
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This year has been a bit of an anomaly with NIL, portal, Covid 6th year, all impacting programs various ways. I think that it will take a couple of years of the playoff to see what the game settles into, if no other huge changes come before then.
 
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GoVols9800 said:
Serious question….when we see large number of athletes refusing to play because of money? For example we are seeing positions like QB, WR, DL making the high NIL dollar amounts. Will we ever see entire units like offensive linemen, kickers, etc. make a statement about the huge gap? They practice just as much, work as hard and don’t reap the benefits. If this has already been discussed frequently, please forgive me.
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Don't forget they do receive benefits, free scholarship, housing, and meals. Players have been payed since the inception of the idea of a free ride to go to school, just not in cash. Teams do sometimes opt not to play in bowl games. That is nothing new. The only new thing is they are now being paid in the same framework as entertainers are, like music artists and actors.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'd say that starting a new thread to discuss this possible scenario, of which there are currently no indications that it's even remotely on the horizon, is indictive in and of itself that you are concerned about it.
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Didn’t realize you were the thread police. I’ll be sure to remember that. Now, go harass some other poster. It seems that’s what you enjoy. Happy New Year.
 
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Just hope to never see any of our beloved and beautiful Vols in the stupid Duke's manglaze bowl.. Halalua and amen!
 
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