Where are the "Martin can't recruit guys"

#76
#76
zjcvols said:
And most people are smart enough to know you are wrong.

1) UT was in his final three way before TSSAA ruled him ineligible. Which means we where a factor.

2) We were the favorite before Pearl was fired and you had no chance. Like, none. So it's not unreasonable to say that he came back to where he was going to go anyway after Martin re-recruited him.

3) Jarnell is a smart kid. He's not dumb or shortsighted enough to come to a school where he can play 10 games and possibly ruin his future. He chose Tennessee because he wanted to go to Tennessee. If he wanted to go to Memphis, he would have gone to Memphis. He could have practiced with them. I understand that he wanted to play, but you are completely underselling Jarnell and the fact he has been very careful throughout his whole recruitment, and he felt Tennessee was the best fit for him. That's it. End of story.
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This basically agrees with everything I posted.

To reiterate, the casual UT basketball fan (maybe that's you, maybe it's not) will feel indignant at the ideas in my post. The UT basketball fans that have been paying attention know what the score was with Jarnell, however. I haven't said anything that will surprise them.
 
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#79
MemphisCanes said:
This basically agrees with everything I posted.

To reiterate, the casual UT basketball fan (maybe that's you, maybe it's not) will feel indignant at the ideas in my post. The UT basketball fans that have been paying attention know what the score was with Jarnell, however. I haven't said anything that will surprise them.
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I'm not a casual basketball fan. I've followed Jarnell's recruitment over a year. Again, it was a factor. It was not the main factor. If he was cleared by the TSSAA, he stills ends up at Tennessee.
 
#80
#80
zjcvols said:
I'm not a casual basketball fan. I've followed Jarnell's recruitment over a year. Again, it was a factor. It was not the main factor. If he was cleared by the TSSAA, he stills ends up at Tennessee.
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No one knows what happens if he's cleared by the TSSAA, If you're assuming that he'd be just as sold on UT as he has been when the TSSAA ruled him ineligible, you're either naive or dumb. Again, I don't know you well enough to classify you, but stick around.
 
#81
#81
MemphisCanes said:
UK never offered Stokes and Stokes was never, ever, ever, going to go to UK even if they did offer. (Cal wouldn't risk the rejection by Stokes, which I assume is why he never offered.)

Arkansas and Florida has offers on the table, but weren't big players with Stokes, especially Florida. Stokes flirted a bit with Arkansas, mainly because he got A LOT of attention from their fanbase. But Arkansas was always a distant third.

It was a Memphis, UT race for months. UT led while Pearl was coaching, then Memphis led once he was fired, then things swung back in UT's favor once Stokes was ruled ineligible by the TSSAA. The stars aligned for UT in that they had an available scholarship for Stokes sitting around. He needed to play somewhere right away, and I think that put him over the top for UT. If he had never been ruled ineligible by TSSAA, he would've committed in February and his committment very likely could've been Memphis. Que Sera Sera.
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It hurts to get rejected doesn't it??? Stokes has said several times that Cuonzo Martin was the difference in him choosing UT vs. the other schools.
 
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#82
MemphisCanes said:
No one knows what happens if he's cleared by the TSSAA, If you're assuming that he'd be just as sold on UT as he has been when the TSSAA ruled him ineligible, you're either naive or dumb. Again, I don't know you well enough to classify you, but stick around.
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You're right. Not like UT was his leader for two years and was in his final three way before the TSSAA ruling. Not too mention a smart kid like Jarnell wouldn't make a decision off 10-12 games.
 
#83
#83
MemphisCanes said:
No one knows what happens if he's cleared by the TSSAA, If you're assuming that he'd be just as sold on UT as he has been when the TSSAA ruled him ineligible, you're either naive or dumb. Again, I don't know you well enough to classify you, but stick around.
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You just refuse to accept reality. Take his eligibility out of the equation and he still ends up at UT. Why? For the same reasons UT was his overwhelming leader before Pearl was fired. It is where he wants to play. Always has been. He just had to re-evaluate when Pearl was fired because he is not going to go play for a coach he doesnt know even though UT is the school he wanted to go to. Once he got to know the new coach it takes us back to his original perspective...which is he wants to play at UT.
 
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#84
I know this has been covered before but:

Do we have any more schollys to sign another 2012 prospect this spring?

And how many can we sign in 2013? TIA
 
#85
#85
therickbol said:
You just refuse to accept reality. Take his eligibility out of the equation and he still ends up at UT. Why? For the same reasons UT was his overwhelming leader before Pearl was fired. It is where he wants to play. Always has been. He just had to re-evaluate when Pearl was fired because he is not going to go play for a coach he doesnt know even though UT is the school he wanted to go to. Once he got to know the new coach it takes us back to his original perspective...which is he wants to play at UT.
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Again, the "casual UT fans" will not react well to what I said. The informed fans who follow recruiting will see the truth, though; Vol fans that have been following Stokes' recruitment have validated my points.

If you take eligibility out of the equation, there is a very good possibility Stokes doesn't go to UT.
 
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zjcvols said:
Jarnell wouldn't make a decision to go to collegel for 10-12 meaningless games.
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I think he would, if the alternative was sitting around and not playing basketball. It's what he loves to do and what will pay him millions of dollars one day. In essence, these 10-12 games will be a fourth of his career.
 
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MemphisCanes said:
No one knows what happens if he's cleared by the TSSAA, If you're assuming that he'd be just as sold on UT as he has been when the TSSAA ruled him ineligible, you're either naive or dumb. Again, I don't know you well enough to classify you, but stick around.
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You sound like a lot of the whiners on Memphis sports radio.
 
#90
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Orange Blazer said:
You sound like a lot of the whiners on Memphis sports radio.
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No whining. I was calling Stokes to UT for a while before he committed. I don't listen to Memphis Radio, I listen to Knoxville Radio. I think it's deplorable that the Knoxville media only learned of Jarnell Stokes on December 22. It's a slight to Stokes, Martin and the UT program as a whole.

Memphis has an elite post man in next year's class. Stokes would've made two, but Goodwin is solid.

UT fans should be excited that Stokes came to Knoxville, regardless of what got him there. I understand the "casual fan's" need to attribute this get to Martin, rather than to Pearl, Cam Clear, the TSSAA, etc. It makes sense to me. But that's why we call 'em "casual fans" right?
 
#91
#91
MemphisCanes said:
No whining. I was calling Stokes to UT for a while before he committed. I don't listen to Memphis Radio, I listen to Knoxville Radio. I think it's deplorable that the Knoxville media only learned of Jarnell Stokes on December 22. It's a slight to Stokes, Martin and the UT program as a whole.

Memphis has an elite post man in next year's class. Stokes would've made two, but Goodwin is solid.

UT fans should be excited that Stokes came to Knoxville, regardless of what got him there. I understand the "casual fan's" need to attribute this get to Martin, rather than to Pearl, Cam Clear, the TSSAA, etc. It makes sense to me. But that's why we call 'em "casual fans" right?
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I know in your mind you think you sound cool, but in reality it's the exact opposite. Haha, "that's why we..." what a tard.
 
#92
#92
MemphisCanes said:
No whining. I was calling Stokes to UT for a while before he committed. I don't listen to Memphis Radio, I listen to Knoxville Radio. I think it's deplorable that the Knoxville media only learned of Jarnell Stokes on December 22. It's a slight to Stokes, Martin and the UT program as a whole.

Memphis has an elite post man in next year's class. Stokes would've made two, but Goodwin is solid.

UT fans should be excited that Stokes came to Knoxville, regardless of what got him there. I understand the "casual fan's" need to attribute this get to Martin, rather than to Pearl, Cam Clear, the TSSAA, etc. It makes sense to me. But that's why we call 'em "casual fans" right?
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Because it goes to Martin. Before the summer, everyone thought STokes to UT was done. Again, just because there were factors doesn't mean that he didn't come to UT because of Martin. Actually, he talked highly and mentioned he was a big reason why he was here.

Don't be stupid.
 
#94
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zjcvols said:
Because it goes to Martin. Before the summer, everyone thought STokes to UT was done. Again, just because there were factors doesn't mean that he didn't come to UT because of Martin. Actually, he talked highly and mentioned he was a big reason why he was here.

Don't be stupid.
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Did you expect anything different?
 
#95
#95
MemphisCanes said:
Did you expect anything different?
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No. Also just a lil while ago today that Coach Martin is what swung Tennessee his way and didn't even mention the TSSAA ruling had anything to do with his decision in the interview today.

But you go ahead and think that he's going to let 10-12 games of a most likely NIT team affected his decision the most.
 
#96
#96
zjcvols said:
No. Also just a lil while ago today that Coach Martin is what swung Tennessee his way and didn't even mention the TSSAA ruling had anything to do with his decision in the interview today.

But you go ahead and think that he's going to let 10-12 games of a most likely NIT team affected his decision the most.
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Of course he wouldn't say that, much less to Knoxville Radio. Doesn't make it any less true however.

His TSSAA ineligibility was a game changer. No denying.
 
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#97
MemphisCanes said:
Of course he wouldn't say that, much less to Knoxville Radio. Doesn't make it any less true however.

His TSSAA ineligibility was a game changer. No denying.
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Define game changer.

He comes to Tennessee whether the TSSAA ruling happens or not.
 
#98
#98
zjcvols said:
Define game changer.

He comes to Tennessee whether the TSSAA ruling happens or not.
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He may, we'll never know. But the TSSAA is what made him decide to declare early. When he declared early, UT became the favorite because of the available scholarship plus the ability to contribute this season.
 
#99
#99
MemphisCanes said:
He may, we'll never know. But the TSSAA is what made him decide to declare early. When he declared early, UT became the favorite because of the available scholarship plus the ability to contribute this season.
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Why wouldn't he when there were a couple he could play for by mid-January?

That tells me nothing.
 
#100
#100
zjcvols said:
Why wouldn't he when there were a couple he could play for by mid-January?

That tells me nothing.
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Because he was only considering (truly considering, not what he told Rivals/Scout in his 5 minute convos with their beat reporters) Memphis and UT. He had narrowed it down to those two. Arkansas, Florida, Uconn, Kentucky, all red herrings.

Before the TSSAA decision, most reports said Memphis was staunchly in the lead.
 
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