Where were you? - September 11, 2001

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RavinDave said:
Ok, the ALLEGED box cutters.
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You think that if a group of guys were on a plane today that they would be able to hijack a plane with box cutters?

That's what angers me about the aftermath of all of this. They now have us afraid of box cutters on a plane.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You think that if a group of guys were on a plane today that they would be able to hijack a plane with box cutters?

That's what angers me about the aftermath of all of this. They now have us afraid of box cutters on a plane.
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I don't think the box cutter would be the technology of choice nowadays.

But I don't think the TSA is all that effective either.
 
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RavinDave said:
I don't think the box cutter would be the technology of choice nowadays.

But I don't think the TSA is all that effective either.
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The box cutter narrative helps to justify the TSA's existence. We need those guys to keep us safe on a plane. That's why they have to pat down grandma and search through your bags for liquids and cash.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You think that if a group of guys were on a plane today that they would be able to hijack a plane with box cutters?

That's what angers me about the aftermath of all of this. They now have us afraid of box cutters on a plane.
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It’s absolutely ridiculous in hindsight
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The box cutter narrative helps to justify the TSA's existence. We need those guys to keep us safe on a plane. That's why they have to pat down grandma and search through your bags for liquids and cash.
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I used to always carry a small Swiss Army type knife in my pocket. The kind with about a 1" blade, a little tweezer and a small scissors.

Must have had a dozen of those things confiscated at airport screenings in the first 2-3 years after 9-11.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Ask again in three years after I retire and I’ll give a more detailed answer. But for now I’ll say in bed sick and recovering after wrapping up months of systems integration, developmental flight testing, and tactics development. Turned on the TV after the first plane had hit and saw the second one hit live. Called a friend and coworker and we watched in disbelief while we recounted the several prior months of work
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**** it. I’m retiring in three years and if they get pissed at me I can retire now.

So I was in bed sick trying to get well after months of grueling flight test and tactics work at NAWC China Lake. 12+hr days 7 days a week for months. We had gotten most of the basic kinks out of our targeting sight and the Hellfire was a known quantity anyway. We’d already shown we could do consistent high altitude engagements and hit the target so we had a shooter profile that worked. We had ironed out the bugs in integrating the launcher rail controller and our targeting sight on the Predator avionics host.

We knew they were after somebody. We just weren’t sure who. Some names were discussed at dinner over the months. OBL was one from what I remember.

That effort was by far the alpha nerd days of my career. We were just a couple of weeks short.

As I was laying in bed watching the towers come down and talking to my work buddy (and mentor) it all came into focus for us. We just weren’t fast enough godddamit and we hated ourselves for that. The whole community felt regret.

Rumor has it that the first plane cleared back into the airspace was a C-17 out of Palmdale. It carried three “coffins” or shipping containers for MQ-1B predators. It also carried shipping containers for three of our prototype targeting sights. It stopped en route in Huntsville AL to pick up ordinance, AGM-114 Hellfires modified for this application, at Redstone and then flew direct to theater.

There are a couple of books out about this. I’m fortunate enough to have been mentioned in the company of some incredible engineers and people. The next few years after 9/11 defined my career as we collectively refined the MQ-1 and MQ-9 weapon systems and developed an entirely new way to wage an air war.

The details have to wait for three more years. I didn’t know it but I was gonna get a chance to have a much more direct impact on the initial effort of taking the fight to the enemy.

But godddamit we were just a few weeks too late. ****...
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've tried having the conversation of metal yielding under heat vs catastrophic failure. They don't want to understand the difference.
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Follow up, and boggle their minds with the WW2 Liberty ships that broke in two because of brittle fracture.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
With regards to JFK, it is more likely that Governor Connerly was hit by 2 bullets than it is that he was hit by a single Magic Bullet. Also, explain to me which of Oswald's shots hit James Tague, who was standing under the Triple Bypass?
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Now, you know all the WTC damage was started by a magic bullet fired from Trump's glassy knoll because the towers blocked his view.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'll leave the JFK matter with this question: How many shots did Oswald fire?
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I've never been satisfied with all the analysis done there, but after all this time what does it matter? One of the other things I recall seeing live and never forgetting was watching Oswald being shot.
 
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AM64 said:
I've never been satisfied with all the analysis done there, but after all this time what does it matter? One of the other things I recall seeing live and never forgetting was watching Oswald being shot.
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It matters just as much as when a POTUS grants a pardon to someone posthumously.

Oswald could have his name cleared.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It matters just as much as when a POTUS grants a pardon to someone posthumously.

Oswald could have his name cleared.
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It would certainly matter to his family.

I think if they ever actually admit we were sold a lie for 75+ years by our government and the media it would change our country and possibly the world.

Blind trust in government and media would be gone for good.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'll leave the JFK matter with this question: How many shots did Oswald fire?
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Three? Supposedly. I will say this, as I always keep my options open. I’m not the most knowledgeable poster here with regard to firearms. However, my BIL has a Mannlicher–Carcano like the one used by Lee Harvey Oswald. Takes very good care of all his guns. I can tell you when he asked me to cycle that rifle three times and simulate firing it, it was extremely difficult to do it anywhere close to the amount of time in which Oswald supposedly did it, but I’m not that good. Maybe some other gun experts on here have another take on this. My first thought was there was no way Oswald got off three shots with that thing. That’s just me, though.
 
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Vol737 said:
Three? Supposedly. I will say this, as I always keep my options open. I’m not the most knowledgeable poster here with regard to firearms. However, my BIL has a Mannlicher–Carcano like the one used by Lee Harvey Oswald. Takes very good care of all his guns. I can tell you when he asked me to cycle that rifle three times and simulate firing it, it was extremely difficult to do it anywhere close to the amount of time in which Oswald supposedly did it, but I’m not that good. Maybe some other gun experts on here have another take on this. My first thought was there was no way Oswald got off three shots with that thing. That’s just me, though.
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What were the 3 shots? Lets for get about timing (that is a subject for another debate). Just tell me about each shot allegedly fired.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What were the 3 shots? Lets for get about timing (that is a subject for another debate). Just tell me about each shot allegedly fired.
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Supposedly first shot missed JFK, hit Connally. Second hit JFK and he slumped over. Third shot took out his grey matter. That’s the story anyway. I just don’t buy that LHO could’ve gotten three shots off that quickly and made them all count. Too many inconsistencies from eye witnesses. JMO.
 
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Vol737 said:
Supposedly first shot missed JFK, hit Connally. Second hit JFK and he slumped over. Third shot took out his grey matter. That’s the story anyway. I just don’t buy that LHO could’ve gotten three shots off that quickly and made them all count. Too many inconsistencies from eye witnesses. JMO.
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Which of those shots hit James Tague standing under the Triple Underpass?
 
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Vol737 said:
I’ll take the beloved grassy knoll for $200, Alex.
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Not sure if serious, but in case you were, its more likely that it came from the direction of Commerce/Main St near the Triple Overpass area instead of the Grassy Knoll.
 
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AM64 said:
I gave up on all that years ago because the explanations made no sense. To say time travel was involved and somebody zipped in and out would have about as much credibility.
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Could I interest you in explaining a few anomalies in the Oak Cliff neighborhood?
 
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