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99gator said:
catholic like a kennedy
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You're getting worked up because Vol message board says Kelly sucks?...even the ones saying it know better...it's an honorary title
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So someone is on here arguing that Brian Kelly is a bad coach just because he lost to Nick Saban, and then they say they would rather have Philip Fulmer (who repeatedly got his a$$ handed to him by Saban)? Oh Volnation, don't ever change.
 
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To be honest, I think we'd be cautiously optimistic if Gundy were here, and I think we'd be about as hyped up if Strong were here. Strong was obviously the popular pick for the job before Butch took it, and I think he'd have been successful. But who knew we'd snag the best one of all.
 
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99gator said:
first of all, i was referring to currently employed college head coaches across the country. not nfl head coaches, not assistants, etc.

so, that elimates fulmer and chip kelly.

how jimbo fisher makes your list is beyond me. if there is a head coach in america who has it easier than fisher, i'd like to hear who it is. he finally won his first acc championship.

i'm not going to go through the rest of these although i find some of them funny.

but, what i find telling, is that you were careful not to list bob stoops or david shaw. the reason for that is obvious.

now, notre dame got throttled by alabama. but, that's not how everything is judged or should be. brian kelly doesn't have a national championship roster. not close. but, he got his team into a national title game. he did it beating the pac-10 champion and the big-12 co-champion along the way.

if you want to base everything on a game played against a vastly superior opponent with a month to prepare....fine.

what i know is he has won everywhere he has been. he took 3 years to build a conference champion at central michigan. 3 years to build a conference champion at cincinnati. 3 years to play for a national title at notre dame.

he can flat out coach. if you don't agree, we will just have to agree to disagree.
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All I'm saying is he isn't a top tier coach yet....

Is he a good coach, yes.

Is he a great coach. IMO No (not yet)

What is a great coach anyway?

Gene chizik was considered a top tier SEC coach a couple years ago.

Just look at Dooley

He is considered the worst coach ever in the history of football on VN.

What if bray threw the ball 1 foot less, In the SC game to Hunter on the last play.

Or our DB defended a touchdown pass one time in the Georgia game.

Or Z. Rogers caught the ball in overtime that hit him in the hands in the Mizoo game in Overtime?


Those 3 small play's are the difference between a good coach and the Worst football coach in the history of Tennessee.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
All I'm saying is he isn't a top tier coach yet....

Is he a good coach, yes.

Is he a great coach. IMO No (not yet)

What is a great coach anyway?

Gene chizik was considered a top tier SEC coach a couple years ago.

Just look at Dooley

He is considered the worst coach ever in the history of football on VN.

What if bray threw the ball 1 foot less, In the SC game to Hunter on the last play.

Or our DB defended a touchdown pass one time in the Georgia game.

Or Z. Rogers caught the ball in overtime that hit him in the hands in the Mizoo game in Overtime?


Those 3 small play's are the difference between a good coach and the Worst football coach in the history of Tennessee.
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What if Da'Rick Rogers had not made a one handed catch in the endzone on 4th and goal against Vanderbilt in 2011?

...and 3 wins (and its a big assumption that Dooley wouldn't have found a way to lose all of those games anyway) would not have made Dooley a "good coach". The guy was a loser and proved it time and time again.

You're seriously saying that Brian Kelly isn't a top tier coach after posting undefeated seasons at 3 different schools, but are arguing that Dooley would be a good coach with his best season ever being 8 wins total?
 
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oregonvol said:
What if Da'Rick Rogers had not made a one handed catch in the endzone on 4th and goal against Vanderbilt in 2011?

...and 3 wins (and its a big assumption that Dooley wouldn't have found a way to lose all of those games anyway) would not have made Dooley a "good coach". The guy was a loser and proved it time and time again.

You're seriously saying that Brian Kelly isn't a top tier coach after posting undefeated seasons at 3 different schools, but are arguing that Dooley would be a good coach with his best season ever being 8 wins total?[j/QUOTE]

No Dooley is a terrible coach

And yes Im saying Kelly isn't a top tier coach, he is a high middle coach.

I'll say this one more time ND PLAYED ONE TOP 10 TEAM IN 2012.

We for example played 4

Also since you guys like to say "we'll Saban had a month to prepare for ND" as an excuse.

ND didn't play in a conference title game, Kelly had almost 2 months to prepare for Bama.
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oregonvol said:
What if Da'Rick Rogers had not made a one handed catch in the endzone on 4th and goal against Vanderbilt in 2011?

...and 3 wins (and its a big assumption that Dooley wouldn't have found a way to lose all of those games anyway) would not have made Dooley a "good coach". The guy was a loser and proved it time and time again.

You're seriously saying that Brian Kelly isn't a top tier coach after posting undefeated seasons at 3 different schools, but are arguing that Dooley would be a good coach with his best season ever being 8 wins total?
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Very good, factual post. Why can't guys on here look at the fact that Dooley had back to back to back losing seasons here... a dubious record not achieved in more than 100 years. Given our tradition and facilities, thats actually a very difficult thing to do here, obviously.

He came in a losing coach and he left a losing coach.
 
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#112
Vol4life25 said:
All I'm saying is he isn't a top tier coach yet....

Is he a good coach, yes.

Is he a great coach. IMO No (not yet)

What is a great coach anyway?

Gene chizik was considered a top tier SEC coach a couple years ago.

Just look at Dooley

He is considered the worst coach ever in the history of football on VN.

What if bray threw the ball 1 foot less, In the SC game to Hunter on the last play.

Or our DB defended a touchdown pass one time in the Georgia game.

Or Z. Rogers caught the ball in overtime that hit him in the hands in the Mizoo game in Overtime?


Those 3 small play's are the difference between a good coach and the Worst football coach in the history of Tennessee.
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If you think Gene Chizik, Larry Coker, or Derek Dooley were ever even remotely close to being good coaches, then you have no idea what you're talking about.
 
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#113
Vol4life25 said:
All I'm saying is he isn't a top tier coach yet....

Is he a good coach, yes.

Is he a great coach. IMO No (not yet)

What is a great coach anyway?

Gene chizik was considered a top tier SEC coach a couple years ago.

Just look at Dooley

He is considered the worst coach ever in the history of football on VN.

What if bray threw the ball 1 foot less, In the SC game to Hunter on the last play.

Or our DB defended a touchdown pass one time in the Georgia game.

Or Z. Rogers caught the ball in overtime that hit him in the hands in the Mizoo game in Overtime?


Those 3 small play's are the difference between a good coach and the Worst football coach in the history of Tennessee.
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No offense but this is borderline insanity Vince.
 
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