Which SEC QB's would you rather have over Worley?

[VolFan4Life87]

I enjoy reading your posts and I have a question for you. I realize that tradition is important to some players, but how we performed in 1951 is becoming less and less important. Even the Sugar Bowl win versus Miami is becoming like a black and white tv. I think tradition to recruits now really means how we have played in the last decade or 2 decades tops. Do you agree and what is your take on the issue?

I just hit the road. I'll edit this response in a few and address your q's

*EDIT*

I think there's certainly some truth in your statement. How we played in 1951 is pretty unimportant to current players/recruits. But that doesn't mean a team that has been hot in the last decade with barely a .500 record over the last 100 years has a *tradition* advantage over UT.

Truthfully, and this is just my opinion, every recruit is different and most have varying levels of importance with tradition probably never being the primary deciding factor. If I had to guess, most players choose a school based on a combination of: their personal relationship with the coaches recruiting them, the coaching staff's recent success (past couple of years), the school/coaches track record of sending players to the NFL, playing time, and family factors.

I was recruited heavily by military colleges, not Div 1 football programs though so I can't pretend to know what that recruitment process is like and what truly goes through someone's mind when faced with so many choices.

FSU is a good example of a school with mediocre tradition but great success. Their football program has only been around since 1947 but has won multiple national and conference championships - they definitely don't have the *tradition* UT has. You could say well duh look at the hotbed of recruits they're nestled in, but IMO Bobby Bowden put them on the map. We need a great coach and we need consistency.

 

[DERELICK_MY_VOLS]

I just hope one of our QB's step up and take ownership of the offense! This team needs some leadership on the field.....on both sides of the ball!

 

[fade route]

You can play all of the woulda, shoulda, coulda games you want and drag up anything to try to prove a point. There were probably some dropped passes, missed blocks, bad routes run or any number of things that could offset your "brilliant" analysis. We will never know.

If a frog had wings he wouldn't bump his azz when he lands.

I thought VolFan4Life87's analysis was 100% accurate. You used the word "probably" in your analysis which renders it nothing more than opinion and speculation.

 

[tnvols72]

1. Riley Ferguson
2. Josh Dobbs
3. Peterman by a coin flip

Let me guess , you seen Ferg high school film. Nobody has clue if Ferg is going to be a good QB or not. I lost confidence in you post when you would take Peterman over Worley.

 

[Vol865]

I would be interested to hear you justify preferring any one of those 3 over Worley

Dobbs while not playing spectacular, showed he isn't scared to throw into tight windows soon as he stepped on the field against Alabama....played ok as a freshman

Ferguson was ahead of Dobbs on depth chart before injury. Seems very confident in himself and that's huge deal for a QB.

I've seen enough of Worley to believe that he isn't very confident in himself. I don't believe he has a very competitive nature. Granted I'm not him so I can't say without a doubt. That's just my opinion. He may come back and have a Compton Raquel senior yr. Or maybe its not even as good as Matt Simms.

I gave Peterman a coin flip because while the UF game was bad. The play calling wasn't that great.

 

[terrypedigo]

Ouch. lol:

If old Fergi can match his girlfriend, then we got something.:shaking2:

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Its true how does anyone know, you can evaluate high school film all day still doesnt mean it will translate to SEC football. I hear people say he tore it up in practice this fall, ok well who didnt tear up our defense this fall?

I'm going to go on a limb and guess Josh Dobbs

 

[terrypedigo]

Just looked up Worley's finish to the South Carolina game (which is where he was supposedly hitting his stride, right?). 5 of his last 8 drives were 3 and outs. That's not very good.

I will tell you one damn sure thing if this time next year if we are still talking about Worley even in the picture for starting QB, then we wont win 5 games in 14, that's for damn sure, I don't know much in this old world but I know Worley is not the answer for our QB.hmy:

 

[jimallvol]

If Worley can start putting it together like he did this yr before he got injured I would take him over any on the list

 

[vols 30]

I will tell you one damn sure thing if this time next year if we are still talking about Worley even in the picture for starting QB, then we wont win 5 games in 14, that's for damn sure, I don't know much in this old world but I know Worley is not the answer for our QB.hmy:

This.

 

[Other_Guy]

Worley and Dobbs had practically an all freshman receiver corps along with a converted QB and RB to go with a wounded TE throw to. I doubt many of the listed QBs would have done much better throwing to that group.

I like how when WRs drop balls and can't run routes, Worley gets the blame. Yet heaven forbid we give him any credit when WRs make them.

I think, to those confused by his "making strides" comments, we are comparing his SCjr game to his garbage play at the beginning of the year. He still wasn't anything spectacular but did play a crap load better. Something Dobbs never did.

 

[Other_Guy]

I will tell you one damn sure thing if this time next year if we are still talking about Worley even in the picture for starting QB, then we wont win 5 games in 14, that's for damn sure, I don't know much in this old world but I know Worley is not the answer for our QB.hmy:

Worley is the only shot we have at over 5 wins.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

I like how when WRs drop balls and can't run routes, Worley gets the blame. Yet heaven forbid we give him any credit when WRs make them.

I think, to those confused by his "making strides" comments, we are comparing his SCjr game to his garbage play at the beginning of the year. He still wasn't anything spectacular but did play a crap load better. Something Dobbs never did.

Worley continued to miss guys wide open (could be routes, though its hard to argue that when the passes are sooo off and the WR is sooo open) but he did stop throwing INT's there for a stretch - I call that improvement.

Dobbs definitely regressed; I thought he looked best against Alabama and I had some hope. Some on here have said he was playing injured later in the season, if this is true then that should be factored in.

Those crowning Ferg though....I just chalk them up as the people who always think the guy who's never seen the field is our next savior. We really don't know sh*t about Ferg. I hope he's good though.

 

[1972 Grad]

I will tell you one damn sure thing if this time next year if we are still talking about Worley even in the picture for starting QB, then we wont win 5 games in 14, that's for damn sure, I don't know much in this old world but I know Worley is not the answer for our QB.hmy:

Worley gives us our best chance to get to 5 wins, although not guaranteed.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

Worley gives us our best chance to get to 5 wins, although not guaranteed.

It definitely seems that way at the moment, but we have a long off season and each guy has his own ceiling and rate of progression. If we don't have someone clearly in the lead by the end of spring I'll be concerned.

 

[iluvsmesumdooley]

Obviously the SEC has some great QB's, and I think a lot of UT fans feel Worley is not very good. Personally I am not among them, I think Worley hit his stride and became a pretty legit QB, but just for perspective, which SEC QB's that will be playing next year (that's actually gotten significant playing time) would you rather have?

A. Jeff Driskell - FLA
B. Max Smith - KY
C. Matt Mauk - Mizz
D. Dylan Thompson - SC
E. Dak Prescott - MS State
F. Patton Robinette- Vandy
G. All of the above
H. None of the above

I'm sure there's more but that's all I can think of at the time that will for sure be back next year.

G, but DEFINITELY C and E.

 

[jkleno]

I just hit the road. I'll edit this response in a few and address your q's

*EDIT*

I think there's certainly some truth in your statement. How we played in 1951 is pretty unimportant to current players/recruits. But that doesn't mean a team that has been hot in the last decade with barely a .500 record over the last 100 years has a *tradition* advantage over UT.

Truthfully, and this is just my opinion, every recruit is different and most have varying levels of importance with tradition probably never being the primary deciding factor. If I had to guess, most players choose a school based on a combination of: their personal relationship with the coaches recruiting them, the coaching staff's recent success (past couple of years), the school/coaches track record of sending players to the NFL, playing time, and family factors.

I was recruited heavily by military colleges, not Div 1 football programs though so I can't pretend to know what that recruitment process is like and what truly goes through someone's mind when faced with so many choices.

FSU is a good example of a school with mediocre tradition but great success. Their football program has only been around since 1947 but has won multiple national and conference championships - they definitely don't have the *tradition* UT has. You could say well duh look at the hotbed of recruits they're nestled in, but IMO Bobby Bowden put them on the map. We need a great coach and we need consistency.

Thanks for the response. I love tradition. I think in a 2014 recruits mind tradition applies to only a handful of teams. Notre Dame is on a pedestal by itself. If I had a son who was recruited heavily, it would be hard for me to not want him to go to ND. Not only football tradition, but the $$$ a diploma from ND takes you. Michigan and Ohio State are way up there as well. Other than those 3 and maybe Alabama, I think UT is up there with Texas, Oklahoma and probably USC. You are correct though in that tradition is only a small factor these days. I agree that coaches and recent coaches success is very important. NFL success is way up there too. I think that has been UT's saving grace. As poorly as we have played in recent years, we still unload players to the NFL. Peyton has been huge for us, but I feel the new NFL blood is going to keep it going. CP, Hunter, Foster and Berry will keep the tradition going. Thanks for the thoughts. GBO.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

Thanks for the response. I love tradition. I think in a 2014 recruits mind tradition applies to only a handful of teams. Notre Dame is on a pedestal by itself. If I had a son who was recruited heavily, it would be hard for me to not want him to go to ND. Not only football tradition, but the $$$ a diploma from ND takes you. Michigan and Ohio State are way up there as well. Other than those 3 and maybe Alabama, I think UT is up there with Texas, Oklahoma and probably USC. You are correct though in that tradition is only a small factor these days. I agree that coaches and recent coaches success is very important. NFL success is way up there too. I think that has been UT's saving grace. As poorly as we have played in recent years, we still unload players to the NFL. Peyton has been huge for us, but I feel the new NFL blood is going to keep it going. CP, Hunter, Foster and Berry will keep the tradition going. Thanks for the thoughts. GBO.

It's crazy when you think about the offensive fire power we had last year yet didn't even make a bowl game. I just dunno how we fell so far defensively.

 

[1972 Grad]

It's crazy when you think about the offensive fire power we had last year yet didn't even make a bowl game. I just dunno how we fell so far defensively.

Combination of players and coaches.

 

[HardKnoxVol]

Bo Hardegree

 

[volinduval]

I would keep our Qb's but hire a new Qb coach and WR coach.

 

[rcvol]

I'd take most other QBs over Worley. If "hitting his stride" means barely completing over 50% of his passes, for around a 5 yard average per completion, and just a single touchdown...while being the exception to what was the norm, which was about the same completion percentage and yards per catch, yet with way more interceptions than touchdowns...then yeah, you would do better with most other D1 QBs.

Incidentally, does anyone have the 2nd half stats for the South Carolina game? If Worley was really hitting his stride, he should have been at his best then, but I seem to recall him being pretty mediocre minus North's 2 spectacular catches.

Boom. Nailed it. Worley is a bench warmer.
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[rcvol]

I will tell you one damn sure thing if this time next year if we are still talking about Worley even in the picture for starting QB, then we wont win 5 games in 14, that's for damn sure, I don't know much in this old world but I know Worley is not the answer for our QB.hmy:

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[TVOL71]

I'd take most other QBs over Worley. If "hitting his stride" means barely completing over 50% of his passes, for around a 5 yard average per completion, and just a single touchdown...while being the exception to what was the norm, which was about the same completion percentage and yards per catch, yet with way more interceptions than touchdowns...then yeah, you would do better with most other D1 QBs.

Incidentally, does anyone have the 2nd half stats for the South Carolina game? If Worley was really hitting his stride, he should have been at his best then, but I seem to recall him being pretty mediocre minus North's 2 spectacular catches.

Against Ga, Worley was 17/31, 215 yds 54.8%. Murray was 19/35, 196 yds 54.3%. Against SC, Worley was 19/34, 179 yds 55.9%. Shaw was 7/21, 161 yds 33.3%. Looks like Worley was doing pretty good to me, compared to much more highly rated QBs.

 

[oregonvol]

Against Ga, Worley was 17/31, 215 yds 54.8%. Murray was 19/35, 196 yds 54.3%. Against SC, Worley was 19/34, 179 yds 55.9%. Shaw was 7/21, 161 yds 33.3%. Looks like Worley was doing pretty good to me, compared to much more highly rated QBs.

The difference being, that was Worley at his best and them at their worst. If you want a QB who, at his best, plays like a good SEC starter does at his worst, then Worley is your guy.