Which SEC QB's would you rather have over Worley?

[oregonvol]

Not sure about Ferguson yet, but I think the coaches were aware that we did't have a great QB on the team this past year (Note, hopefully one or more will develop into a great QB this off-season, we will see about that). That being said, I think they mainly want the QBs to manage the game, avoid turnovers (Worley no T/O against Ga., SC) and hopefully have a good play when needed. Worley basically did that against SC, Ga. SC was very much a defensive game (probably the best from the VOL defense), so neither QB had a great game, although Worley out played Shaw. As far as Alabama, I think Jones knew Worley had an injury, although not enough to prevent his play, and he chose to start an experienced junior instead of his only other scholarship QB option, a true freshman with no college experience against one of the best defenses in the country. I can't say I disagree with him on that one. QBs have occasionally been known improve substantially over the off-season, so hopefully our QBs will be better in 2014. Go VOLS.

Well, we have to hope our QBs get alot better in 2014, but there is no reason to suspect they will. The coaches had good amount of time with Worley and if the ideal play they want out of him are performances where he barely completes 50% of his passes, has numerous incompletions on short routes, and a large number of 3-and-out drives, as long as he doesn't turn the ball over (and this is his apex, mind you, the norm were games where he threw more interceptions than touchdowns), then I have to wonder how many games they actually expect to win.

 

[sjt18]

Well, we have to hope our QB get better in 2014, but there is no reason to suspect they will. The coaches had loads of time with Worley and if the ideal play they want out of him are performances where he barely completes 50% of his passes, has numerous incompletions on short routes, and a large number of 3-and-out drives, as long as he doesn't turn the ball over (and this is his apex, mind you, the norm were games where he threw more interceptions than touchdowns), then I have to wonder how many games they actually expect to win.

None of the QB's are going to look much better until the receivers do a better job.

 

[oregonvol]

None of the QB's are going to look much better until the receivers do a better job.

chicken or the egg...doesn't really matter. bottom line is, our passing game is terrible and both have to improve.

That said, you couldn't miss all the times our QBs (Worley in particular) threw balls over their head, into the dirt, or into double/triple coverage.

 

[KBVol]

I say that because those passes were poorly thrown and that's why I called them miraculous catches by North. One was behind North, the other was into coverage IIRC.

With all due respect, I believe both were well thrown. The miraculous one hand catch was squeezed into a pretty tight window, between the corner who was on North's hip and the safety coming over. Worley could've led North more on the 48 yarder down the seam, but it was well thrown high over the defender to let North make a play.

At least that's how I saw them. Looks like we disagree. No worries.

 

[sjt18]

chicken or the egg...doesn't really matter. bottom line is, our passing game is terrible and both have to improve.

That said, you couldn't miss all the times our QBs (Worley in particular) threw balls over their head, into the dirt, or into double/triple coverage.

No but I can question cause. When a QB doesn't trust his receivers or they don't show up where they're supposed to be... some throws will look like that.

It is some of both but I tend to think it is more the receivers than the QB's at this point.

 

[sjt18]

With all due respect, I believe both were well thrown. The miraculous one hand catch was squeezed into a pretty tight window, between the corner who was on North's hip and the safety coming over. Worley could've led North more on the 48 yarder down the seam, but it was well thrown high over the defender to let North make a play.

At least that's how I saw them. Looks like we disagree. No worries.

I think the long one down the side line was underthrown and a great play by North. The one in the end zone looked intentional. If they can make that routine then they'll be on to something.

 

[oregonvol]

No but I can question cause. When a QB doesn't trust his receivers or they don't show up where they're supposed to be... some throws will look like that.

It is some of both but I tend to think it is more the receivers than the QB's at this point.

We can agree that both positions have been disappointing and they both have to improve. From what I've seen however, I tend to lean more towards placing a higher level of blame on the QBs. There were so many short passes with open receivers where the ball was not delivered accurately that I find it hard to believe that they were always the ones out of position (also, they have to get open, which they often did and which they may have to adjust their positioning to do. The onus is more on the QB there to adjust to their positioning. This has hardly been a quick strike offense with alot of precisely timed slants or posts. We've seen more simple ins and outs and curl routes. Often, the receiver is already open and turned toward the QB when the QB releases the ball, and the QB still hasn't been accurate. It's hard for me to put most of the blame for those passes on the receivers).

 

[KBVol]

I think the long one down the side line was underthrown and a great play by North. The one in the end zone looked intentional. If they can make that routine then they'll be on to something.

Disagree. The one down the sideline was fit into a pretty tight window. If he lays the ball up any more he gives the safety a chance to come over and make a play. If he underthrows it the CB makes a play.... Yes, it was a great one handed catch by North.... it was also a very good throw.

I didn't comment about a throw made in an end zone, just the sideline throw and the 48 yd catch North made down the seam... both in the SCar game.

 

[oregonvol]

Disagree. The one down the sideline was fit into a pretty tight window. If he lays the ball up any more he gives the safety a chance to come over and make a play. If he underthrows it the CB makes a play.... Yes, it was a great one handed catch by North.... it was also a very good throw.

I didn't comment about a throw made in an end zone, just the sideline throw and the 48 yd catch North made down the seam... both in the SCar game.

I agree that Worley put the ball pretty much the only place he could have put it for the one handed North catch (of course, I'll still wonder if there weren't better options elsewhere than throwing into double coverage there, but I'm just glad it worked out).

But on that 48 yard catch (this one), it seems pretty obvious that if Worley had more arm strength on it, North could have scored. It looks like North has a couple steps on the DB, but then he has to stop and come back inside and jump over the DB for it, because Worley underthrew it.

 

[VolFan4Life87]

With all due respect, I believe both were well thrown. The miraculous one hand catch was squeezed into a pretty tight window, between the corner who was on North's hip and the safety coming over. Worley could've led North more on the 48 yarder down the seam, but it was well thrown high over the defender to let North make a play.

At least that's how I saw them. Looks like we disagree. No worries.

Well I am recounting from memory which probably escapes me; in either case I'm damn glad we made those plays

 

[Vol865]

Peterman by a coin flip? Did you see the difference between Worley and Peterman in the Florida game alone?

I saw that the play calling was extremely conservative when Peterman was in just like the vandy game. You cant run for a yard twice and stick ur QB in a 3rd and long every drive and expect him to be successful. You have to give him easy passes to start with.

 

[Vol865]

I'm always amused at guys who say, "yeah, but if you take away those 2 throws, or that touchdown or whatever, he really sucked". As if those plays weren't part of the game and didn't happen. If you follow that line of logic, why stop at a play or two? Why not go all the way and say "yeah, but if you take away all of his completions, he really sucked".

Honestly, you could flip it the other way. "If you take away those 3 picks vs So Alabama, Worley played really well." Only problem is you can't. Those 3 picks nearly cost us the game.

So are you saying you'd be fine with a QB who barely completes 50% every year and we have to depend on a last ditch effort to win every game because they couldn't complete easy passes during the other 3 quarters?

 

[Vol865]

No but I can question cause. When a QB doesn't trust his receivers or they don't show up where they're supposed to be... some throws will look like that.

It is some of both but I tend to think it is more the receivers than the QB's at this point.

Or when u don't trust ur own abilities to get the ball there

 

[KBVol]

So are you saying you'd be fine with a QB who barely completes 50% every year and we have to depend on a last ditch effort to win every game because they couldn't complete easy passes during the other 3 quarters?

Where did I say that? Didn't say that. Saying that all plays count. The good ones and the bad ones. What are you talking about?

Guys who want to argue against a guy will say "if you take out those 2 plays...." so they can bolster their argument. Well you can't take out the 2 great pass completions Worley had to North....they happened, just like the bad throws happened....and the good ones, they helped UT win the game. If you're gonna criticize the bad ones, give credit for the good ones. Not a difficult idea.

Of course I'd prefer a great, consistent, accurate QB with a 65% comp rate. But Worley made some good throws that led to UT winning the SCar game. Shouldn't dismiss them because he had some other bad throws. Simple and fair minded concept IMHO.

 

[KBVol]

So are you saying you'd be fine with a QB who barely completes 50% every year and we have to depend on a last ditch effort to win every game because they couldn't complete easy passes during the other 3 quarters?

Reading your post again. And again I come up with what????

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

Aren't you one of the ones who gets all upset when someone criticizes a coach? Yet you are willing to start a thread like this for the specific purpose of ripping a player?

Uh I'm actually very pro-Worley. You act like you read my posts, but somehow you missed that?

And I don't hate it when someone bashes coaches. No one despised Sal Sunseri like I did.

Try again sjt

 

[sjt18]

Uh I'm actually very pro-Worley. You act like you read my posts, but somehow you missed that?

And I don't hate it when someone bashes coaches. No one despised Sal Sunseri like I did.

Try again sjt

You thought you would start this thread and it wouldn't turn into a bash fest?

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

You thought you would start this thread and it wouldn't turn into a bash fest?

Ya. By comparison I think Worley stacks up pretty well against other SEC QB's. I was curious to see what everyone else thinks, especially considering the list of QB's I put out there is not very impressive.

 

[sjt18]

Or when u don't trust ur own abilities to get the ball there

That's true also. But Worley seemed to have more problems throwing the ball late to me than not having enough arm strength. There are a lot of guys with less arm who throw deep effectively.

 

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[sjt18]

Ya. By comparison I think Worley stacks up pretty well against other SEC QB's. I was curious to see what everyone else thinks, especially considering the list of QB's I put out there is not very impressive.

like I said earlier. I think any of the 3 could be very good with coaching and better WR play. I have a good bit more confidence in the O staff than the D staff. I was not impressed with the job Z did but it was a tough draw for him.

Unfortunately, it is difficult to see Peterman coming back from that disaster at UF. I will be surprised if he stays.

 

[Vol865]

Where did I say that? Didn't say that. Saying that all plays count. The good ones and the bad ones. What are you talking about?

Guys who want to argue against a guy will say "if you take out those 2 plays...." so they can bolster their argument. Well you can't take out the 2 great pass completions Worley had to North....they happened, just like the bad throws happened....and the good ones, they helped UT win the game. If you're gonna criticize the bad ones, give credit for the good ones. Not a difficult idea.

Of course I'd prefer a great, consistent, accurate QB with a 65% comp rate. But Worley made some good throws that led to UT winning the SCar game. Shouldn't dismiss them because he had some other bad throws. Simple and fair minded concept IMHO.

I saw that part but mainly focused on the first part of ur post because that seemed to be ur argument more than the other part. My bad on that. I can agree with ur assessment. Worley made some plays to help us win, but he made quite a few plays in other games to hinder us. Thats my argument. If he wouldnt have been throwing errant passes in the other 3 quarters we wouldn't have had to depend on 2 jump balls to win the game. They were great throws. I'd just prefer he make those throws before its do or die.

 

[Vol865]

That's true also. But Worley seemed to have more problems throwing the ball late to me than not having enough arm strength. There are a lot of guys with less arm who throw deep effectively.

It wasn't the arm strength IMO. I think he's scared to make a mistake, so throws end up behind WRs, over their heads, etc. When he learns to just go out there and play, he might be above average or better. In other words, he's so focused on not messing up, he tries to aim the ball instead of just throwing it with a fluid motion and he's hesitant to throw it into tight windows.

The throw dobbs made down the sideline on an out an up against Bama. Worley would've never attempted it.

 

[Easttnken]

It wasn't the arm strength IMO. I think he's scared to make a mistake, so throws end up behind WRs, over their heads, etc. When he learns to just go out there and play, he might be above average or better. In other words, he's so focused on not messing up, he tries to aim the ball instead of just throwing it with a fluid motion and he's hesitant to throw it into tight windows.

The throw dobbs made down the sideline on an out an up against Bama. Worley would've never attempted it.

I tend to agree with this. We all understand that Worley put up pretty good stats in high school, against seemingly good competition. So, surely he didn't just forget how to throw the football.

I've had the mindset that Worley may have been more comfortable or confident if he had a more experienced group of receivers to kind of lean on.

I felt that instead of being confident enough to just get the ball out and let his receivers make a play, he was more concerned with not making mistakes.

If there's any merit to this thought, then I would assume/hope that as Worley, and QB's as a whole, gain more time working with the receivers, this issue should resolve itself.

 

[JonGrudensAgent]

Its true how does anyone know, you can evaluate high school film all day still doesnt mean it will translate to SEC football. I hear people say he tore it up in practice this fall, ok well who didnt tear up our defense this fall?

Austin Peay.

That's it.