White Pride; Negative Connotation

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#113
Spartacavolus said:
Pooch, are you not a cracker?
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Like I said earlier, I have a gigantic birthmark all over my left arm and shoulder. The rest of me is very cracker.

I'll say a watered down version of what I want to say in the next post, so it doesn't look like I'm preaching at you, out of context.
 
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We need more people like Chapelle, the undercover brother!
 
#118
#118
Americans should be proud of being the greatest modern civilization in the history of the world. We have done and invented more and greater than any country, ever.

But, I still think we have the largest scars of any country because we completely demoralized and denigrated almost every other race of people in this country, including the natives, for the vast majority of our collective history. I know, I know, it's easy for me to be so haughty and judge when my country is one of the few that completely allows me the freedom to do just that, but I just don't think we should ever forget what we did until 1863 and then continued to do until the 1960s, all while already having wiped out the unspeakably vast majority of natives hundreds of years ago. To celebrate a great deal of our past has always left me conflicted. On the other hand, it's always been simple to understand the pride of Black Americans and Native Americans, for they really had to fight and endure together, as the vast minorities, I don't even have the words to say what they experienced, while white Americans were running all over them.

I've always found most of those who were overtly proud to be white to be ignorant and insecure. No **** we should be proud of our accomplishments, but in the face of what we did to other races during the founding and growth of this country, we still haven't done enough to assuage the shame of years past. I'm not talking about Affirmative Action or reparations, I'm talking about understanding that, as is often the case in history, the greatest heights were achieved by those walking on the backs of the marginalized to succeed.

I celebrate Black History Month and abhor those who say things such as, "well what about White History Month?" What about it? It was almost every month of every year until so recently I'm ashamed to think about it.

This country is great, now, because it's a palette of color, race, and mixtures are happening more frequently because we're evolving. To celebrate the history of "white" America, is to ignorantly omit the bad while only celebrating the good. Who could celebrate the Trail of Tears or Jim Crow laws? They are most undoubtedly an example of what you get when you want to see colorless, white pride.



I'm gonna get murdered for that.
 
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#119
#119
That was the best I could do, but I felt like I should say it, because I really respect Nerd and Grizz and Toine and Itch (hee hee) and Rasputin and think it's something that needs to be said, hopefully better and more eloquently than I have done...
 
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PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Americans should be proud of being the greatest modern civilization in the history of the world. We have done and invented more and greater than any country, ever.

But, I still think we have the largest scars of any country because we completely demoralized and denigrated almost every other race of people in this country, including the natives, for the vast majority of our collective history. I know, I know, it's easy for me to be so haughty and judge when my country is one of the few that completely allows me the freedom to do just that, but I just don't think we should ever forget what we did until 1863 and then continued to do until the 1960s, all while already having wiped out the unspeakably vast majority of natives hundreds of years ago. To celebrate a great deal of our past has always left me conflicted. On the other hand, it's always been simple to understand the pride of Black Americans and Native Americans, for they really had to fight and endure together, as the vast minorities, I don't even have the words to say what they experienced, while white Americans were running all over them.

I've always found most of those who were overtly proud to be white to be ignorant and insecure. No **** we should be proud of our accomplishments, but in the face of what we did to other races during the founding and growth of this country, we still haven't done enough to assuage the shame of years past. I'm not talking about Affirmative Action or reparations, I'm talking about understanding that, as is often the case in history, the greatest heights were achieved by those walking on the backs of the marginalized to succeed.

I celebrate Black History Month and abhor those who say things such as, "well what about White History Month?" What about it? It was almost every month of every year until so recently I'm ashamed to think about it.

This country is great, now, because it's a palette of color, race, and mixtures are happening more frequently because we're evolving. To celebrate the history of "white" America, is to ignorantly omit the bad while only celebrating the good. Who could celebrate the Trail of Tears or Jim Crow laws? They are most undoubtedly an example of what you get when you want to see colorless, white pride.



I'm gonna get murdered for that.
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Very interesting post. I appreciate the time that went into writing it. I think that people have reacted strongly to a balancing of races in terms of the way that we look at history these days. Now that we are willing to say that the majority of this country might have been misguided in our policies in terms of Jim Crow and slavery, some may interpret that as an attack or shaming of white people.

I also feel that there is a backlash because people feel they should not be blamed for something their ancestors did.

I find race relations so fascinating.
 
#121
#121
Nerd-Vol said:
That is racism on it's face because he is using that in his hiring decisions and is hiring based simply on race. The hypothetical you have crafted however is a clear cut example and can be defined as racism easily.
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I disagree. If both were qualified and one was fat would you feel the same way?

The only clear racism would be if the one hired was less qualified than the other.
 
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KentheOrange said:
I disagree. If both were qualified and one was fat would you feel the same way?

The only clear racism would be if the one hired was less qualified than the other.
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If qualifications are truly factored in, a generic black man in his 50s had to overcome much more to succeed at his age with the obvious disparity of his education in his youth when placed in juxtaposition to the generic white man in his 50s, imo.
 
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NEOCON said:
Because we white folks (white men mainly) aren't allowed to be proud of what we have been able to do throughout history as we are evil, horrible creatures, bred by Satan himself, and thrown upon the world to cast a shadow of torment, cruelty, and control all over minorities. We suck and need to be ashamed, A-SHAMED, of ourselves.
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I agree with this despite the intended sarcasm.

Of course, this could be said of all races.
 
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#124
PoochPunt3rdDown said:
Americans should be proud of being the greatest modern civilization in the history of the world. We have done and invented more and greater than any country, ever.

But, I still think we have the largest scars of any country because we completely demoralized and denigrated almost every other race of people in this country, including the natives, for the vast majority of our
collective history. I know, I know, it's easy for
me to be so haughty and judge when my
country is one of the few that completely
allows me the freedom to do just that, but I
just don't think we should ever forget what
we did until 1863 and then continued to do
until the 1960s, all while already having
wiped out the unspeakably vast majority of
natives hundreds of years ago. To celebrate
a great deal of our past has always left me
conflicted. On the other hand, it's always been simple to understand the pride of
Black Americans and Native Americans, for
they really had to fight and endure together,
as the vast minorities, I don't even have the
words to say what they experienced, while
white Americans were running all over them.

I've always found most of those who were overtly proud to be white to be ignorant and insecure. No **** we should be proud of our accomplishments, but in the face of what we did to other races during the founding and growth of this country, we still haven't done enough to assuage the shame of years past. I'm not talking about Affirmative Action or reparations, I'm talking about understanding
that, as is often the case in history, the
greatest heights were achieved by those
walking on the backs of the marginalized to
succeed.
I celebrate Black History Month and abhor those who say things such as, "well what about White History Month?" What about it? It was almost every month of every year until so recently I'm ashamed to think about it.

This country is great, now, because it's a palette of color, race, and mixtures are happening more frequently because we're evolving. To celebrate the history of "white"
America, is to ignorantly omit the bad while
only celebrating the good. Who could
celebrate the Trail of Tears or Jim Crow
laws? They are most undoubtedly an
example of what you get when you want to
see colorless, white pride.



I'm gonna get murdered for that.
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good post my friend.
 
#125
#125
KentheOrange said:
I disagree. If both were qualified and one was fat would you feel the same way?

The only clear racism would be if the one hired was less qualified than the other.
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The 14th Amendment states that hiring someone based on their race is in-fact unlawful discrimination. That is where I am drawing my opinion from.
 
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