Who is SEC POY?

#53
#53
allstar34bd said:
Beck is laughable. If he wasn’t paid so much, he would have been benched. Didn’t he throw like 11 ints in 5 games.

Honestly, no one really separated themselves from the competition.

Sampson fumbled more in the last 4 games than he did from 3rd grade through Sophomore year at UT.

Dart has his highs and lows.
Ryan Williams has struggled a bit late in the season.
Jalen Mildew is trash.
Give it to Pavia, he’s the difference in. 6-6 Vandy and 2-10 Vandy. Impressive victories and some tough, hard fought losses.
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I can get behind that Pavia dude.
 
#54
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allstar34bd said:
Beck is laughable. If he wasn’t paid so much, he would have been benched. Didn’t he throw like 11 ints in 5 games.

Honestly, no one really separated themselves from the competition.

Sampson fumbled more in the last 4 games than he did from 3rd grade through Sophomore year at UT.

Dart has his highs and lows.
Ryan Williams has struggled a bit late in the season.
Jalen Mildew is trash.
Give it to Pavia, he’s the difference in. 6-6 Vandy and 2-10 Vandy. Impressive victories and some tough, hard fought losses.
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The conference player of the year shouldn't go to the qb of a 6-6 team.
 
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To me, it comes down to Sampson and Sellers.
I would give it to Sampson based on overall body of work - he broke all-time rushing records at a school that has turned out NFL leading RBs such as Lewis, Cobb, Henry, Foster, etc., as well as hung a thousand yards in SEC play (that's a fraternity of only about 135 or so dudes all time).

That said, it will likely go to Sellers as voters don't have a very long memory and Sellers has been on a hot streak lately.
 
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05_never_again said:
As good as Sampson was this year, I think our record is probably still 10-2 without him. The defense carried the team this year. We lose 5 or maybe even 6 games this year with an average defense.

I'm not sure we've had a season in a long time where no individual player stands out. There probably isn't a more dynamic player in the SEC right this second than LaNorris Sellers, but the last 5 games don't make a season. Ryan Williams had kind of under-the-radar had less of a season than you might think. If it wasn't for the UGA performance, I honestly don't think all that many people would be talking about him. 37% of his receiving yards came in 2 games (Western Kentucky and UGA). He didn't do much of anything at all the last 5 games of the season.

I'd probably give it to Dart. He didn't have a year that leaps off the page, but he was the most efficient QB in the conference and didn't turn it over much. Sampson is right there too.

Now that I look at the stats, it is astonishing how much Jalen Milroe regressed this year. He really only played well in 3 games (Wisconsin, UGA, LSU) and was somewhere between OK and terrible in all the others. I thought he had a particularly bad game against us.
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Do you honestly believe we beat Bama and UF without Sampson? In those two games he accounted for 251 yards and 5 TDs. Our defense is outstanding but Dylan carried the team offensively with an average passing game at best at times and opposing defenses still couldn't stop him when they knew the run was coming.
 
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VolPack22 said:
What did Pavia contribute against Tennessee? Had Alabama known how to play a lick of defense Vanderbilt wouldn’t even be a bowl team. In no season should a player from a 6-6 team be considered for any award.
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Does that apply to VA Tech, AU, LSU and even TX (Vandy might have won if Lea hadn’t panicked)? Beating UK doesn’t count even for Vandy.
 
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Lekvolrrah said:
The conference player of the year shouldn't go to the qb of a 6-6 team.
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Normally, I would agree. But that kind of depends on the six win team. Vandy winning 6 is like us winning 10 and the only games they lost by more than single digits were to us and uscjr. That being said, they should have beaten GA ST and Mizzou and it would be a stronger argument.

Don’t get me wrong. Sampson should win.
 
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Typically QBs win this award (about 60% in last 25 years). We also had a coaches winner & AP winner in 2008.

Sampson broke the UT all-time single-season record for rushing TD & yards (among others I'm sure). That alone is deserving of the title.

That said, Dart also broke several records at Ole Miss set by Arch & Eli. He has been best QB in the SEC by far and deserves the title.

Both players have earned it but going off past stats, most likely going to be Dart.
 
#67
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PEPPERJAX said:
Sampson has meant just as much to UT, set records, and is leading his team to the playoffs while Diego Pavement is jumping for joy as a 6-6 QB going to the Music City Bowl. UT without Sampson is probably a 7-8 win team at best.
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No, he has not. Sampson is a huge piece of UT's offense. But without him we maybe lose 2 more games? Without Pavia Vandy is not in a bowl, period. Is he a better player than Sampson, hell no. He is just one of those weird guys that can put a team on his back. Remove the 4 fumbles and its a different story. Remove the 4 fumbles and Sampson is a Doak Walker finalist. Its the 4 (3 when the choice was made) fumbles that held him back. UT is a fairly good team without Sampson.. its a really good team with him. Vandy is nothing without Pavia.... they are a dangerous team with him. Sampson is a much better RB at this point than Bishop or Lewis. There is no question there. Vandy has had 6 non-Pavia pass attempts this season. Only 3 of those were by another QB. The only time a QB other than him attempted a pass was when he was out for a series because of injury against Texas and Bama. They didn't even play the other QB in their 1 blowout game against Alcorn State... Without Pavia Vandy is probably a 1 win team. He beat Bama, He put Texas and Missou on the ropes.

Sampson has had an amazing season but the 4 balls he put on the floor almost caused tragedy. All 4 of those fumbles lead to us digging ourselves out of big holes. We just so happened to have pulled those 4 games out. Arian Foster was demonized for 5 fumbles on 650 carries (Sampson 4 on 420). The only difference is we pulled those games off. The hilarious thing is Sampson is likely gonna end up with similar stats to Foster end of his career.
 
#68
#68
Sampson was by far the most consistent of the bunch.

Dart pretty much single-handedly lost the KY and FL games.

Milroe was nowhere close to as good as he was last year. The OK game may have been the worse QB game of the season. He can't leave quickly enough for a lot of Bama fans.

Beck and Ewers were both up and down quite a bit.

Pavia was a cute story, but we saw the QB he was Saturday. He had 45 yards passing until the late garbage time TD drive.
 
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pimo1 said:
No, he has not. Sampson is a huge piece of UT's offense. But without him we maybe lose 2 more games? Without Pavia Vandy is not in a bowl, period. Is he a better player than Sampson, hell no. He is just one of those weird guys that can put a team on his back. Remove the 4 fumbles and its a different story. Remove the 4 fumbles and Sampson is a Doak Walker finalist. Its the 4 (3 when the choice was made) fumbles that held him back. UT is a fairly good team without Sampson.. its a really good team with him. Vandy is nothing without Pavia.... they are a dangerous team with him. Sampson is a much better RB at this point than Bishop or Lewis. There is no question there. Vandy has had 6 non-Pavia pass attempts this season. Only 3 of those were by another QB. The only time a QB other than him attempted a pass was when he was out for a series because of injury against Texas and Bama. They didn't even play the other QB in their 1 blowout game against Alcorn State... Without Pavia Vandy is probably a 1 win team. He beat Bama, He put Texas and Missou on the ropes.

Sampson has had an amazing season but the 4 balls he put on the floor almost caused tragedy. All 4 of those fumbles lead to us digging ourselves out of big holes. We just so happened to have pulled those 4 games out. Arian Foster was demonized for 5 fumbles on 650 carries (Sampson 4 on 420). The only difference is we pulled those games off. The hilarious thing is Sampson is likely gonna end up with similar stats to Foster end of his career.
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The difference I see between the two is that Sampson is clearly the best player at his position in the SEC and arguably the country while Pavia is a good player that has elevated his team making them bowl eligible. Diego is a nice story while Dylan is setting records. One player is carrying his team into the playoffs while the other will be in a lower tier bowl.
 
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volmanjr said:
Tebow .5 maybe
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He is a better football player/QB than Tebow.. the only real difference between them is Tebow played on an offense filled with future NFL players (and murderers) and Pavia has not. This is his second year beating Auburn....he did it last year (31-10) at New freaking Mexico State. Dude didn't just start showing out this year he is legit. The difference is he took his show from Conference USA to the SEC with no dropoff. It is ok to give folks flowers when they deserve them. Vandy beating Bama and giving everyone on their schedule except for USCe nightmares is a lot more impressive an accomplishment than UT making the playoffs. He ran out of Superman juice at the end and that's ok.
 
#71
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You have got to be joking.
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Without Sampson, we are still going to a good bowl. Without Pavia, Vandy is looking for a new coach and maybe has 1 win. UT making the playoffs was a great accomplishment. Vandy winning 6 games and legit being in 11 games was a miracle.

Sampson is probably 70% of why we have our record. Pavia is 100% why Vandy won anything. Without Sampson Nico would have been forced to pass more and pick things up faster... that's something that could have realistically happened. Without Pavia...doom and gloom and we never get to see the Vandy Pimp on SEC shorts. Just the existence of the Vandy Pimp proves everything. Science.....

Will Pavia get POY no.... does he seriously deserve it if all is fair? Yup.
 
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pimo1 said:
Without Sampson, we are still going to a good bowl. Without Pavia, Vandy is looking for a new coach and maybe has 1 win. UT making the playoffs was a great accomplishment. Vandy winning 6 games and legit being in 11 games was a miracle.

Sampson is probably 70% of why we have our record. Pavia is 100% why Vandy won anything. Without Sampson Nico would have been forced to pass more and pick things up faster... that's something that could have realistically happened. Without Pavia...doom and gloom and we never get to see the Vandy Pimp on SEC shorts. Just the existence of the Vandy Pimp proves everything. Science.....

Will Pavia get POY no.... does he seriously deserve it if all is fair? Yup.
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Dude just stop. Pavia doesn’t deserve SEC POY and you know it. Maybe he can get a trophy for beating Alabama. That’s about all he deserves. Congrats on the biggest win in program history. Too bad you choked away some of your other games. His stats just aren’t anywhere close to being POY quality. Maybe he can claim CUSA to win their POY. That’s pretty much what Vanderbilt is anyways.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Dude just stop. Pavia doesn’t deserve SEC POY and you know it. Maybe he can get a trophy for beating Alabama. That’s about all he deserves. Congrats on the biggest win in program history. Too bad you choked away some of your other games. His stats just aren’t anywhere close to being POY quality. Maybe he can claim CUSA to win their POY. That’s pretty much what Vanderbilt is anyways.
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Vandy did lose to GA State this year. Now they know what it feels like.
 
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If we go by SOR and SOS, someone from Georgia clearly deserves the POY award. They are the only school in the top 5 for both categories.

Give it to Cooper Mays though. He has been our anchor all year.
 
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