Who is the worst/most over rated football coach to win a national championship?

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I'm not the biggest Fulmer supporter, but I can't believe anyone would list him in this category. Yeah, he stunk it up over the past 4-5 years of his career, but when he was in his prime he had a heckuva program going.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
I definitely don't think Spurrier or Carroll would be on this list. Carroll actually got credit for 2 national championships even though one was only out right and the only one that counts, IMO. The one where they were granted #1 by the AP and given a share of the NC along with LSU is ridiculous. They didn't play for it therefore didn't earn it, IMO. However, I still don't think Carroll is over rated. Spurrier either. He still has managed to beat Fulmer twice, even at USCe.
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beating Fulmer is not what makes him a great coach. My comments have nothing to do with Fulmer. Still think they both have under achieved with the talent they had on hand... Carroll has had far and away the most talent in the country since 2002...

BCS 4 & 5 Star Breakdowns
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
To me, Fulmer really damaged his reputation the last 5-6 years of his career. Mac Brown is still competitive every year and played in the NC game again last year.
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You'll get no disagreement from me there, but Fulmer's latter years don't erase a pretty remarkable run from '92-'01. I would be willing to bet that Brown is in contention for BCS games in the future as well, provided he sticks around for a few more years.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Coker is over rated with 2 or 3 National titles?

Kiffin
Miles
Pete Carroll
Jim Tressel (sp?)
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Coker only has one NC at Miami. They lost the next year to Ohio St. in the NC game.

Kiffin has none and only 7 wins in college.
 
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LWSVOL said:
beating Fulmer is not what makes him a great coach. My comments have nothing to do with Fulmer. Still think they both have under achieved with the talent they had on hand... Carroll has had far and away the most talent in the country since 2002...

BCS 4 & 5 Star Breakdowns
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While I wouldn't put either Carroll or Spurrier on this list, I can't disagree with you here Larry. Spurrier should have had more than one NC at Florida with the talent. I do think he's done a pretty good job at USCe with what he's had to work with. Better than Lou Holtz did. Although, being credited with 2 NC's at USC, Carroll did seem to lose a step or two the last
2-3 years.
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
While I wouldn't put either Carroll or Spurrier on this list, I can't disagree with you here Larry. Spurrier should have had more than one NC at Florida with the talent. I do think he's done a pretty good job at USCe with what he's had to work with. Better than Lou Holtz did.
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agree
 
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i know some of you guys are still mad at CPF, but can you really put him on there?

He went undeafeted with his own players, not even Spurrier and Meyer did that, Sabans MNC LSU team had one loss.
Granted he got some luck in the Arky game as well as played FSU with a scrub QB.


Its not like Bama didnt have some luck in there run last year as well as beat a backup QB in there MNC game.

I just cant see how you can put the man on there. I understand being mad at him and the last 5 - 6 years were pretty lousy, but im all ears for the guys who put him on there.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
How many does Coker have?

Kiffin?

Miles has one with two losses and massively overwhelming talent.

How many does Tressel have? Did he beat a dramatically better team to get it?
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Most people consider the 01 and 02 Canes to be at least one if not two of the better teams of their decade.
 
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cotton said:
I don't know how you could list a coach who fielded top 10 teams on a fairly regular basis for an extended period of time as "worst" or "overrated," whether it is Fulmer or Brown.
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In regards to Brown, he can roll out of bed and have 20 commitments without any effort. The ONLY reason he won a championship is V. Young. He should've lost to Nebraska last year in the Big 12 title game. His best attribute was being able to get the easiest job in America and that's the only reason he's not my most overrated...jmo
 
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VolsFanRJ said:
While I wouldn't put either Carroll or Spurrier on this list, I can't disagree with you here Larry. Spurrier should have had more than one NC at Florida with the talent. I do think he's done a pretty good job at USCe with what he's had to work with. Better than Lou Holtz did. Although, being credited for 2 NC's at USC, Carroll did seem to lose a step or two the last
2-3 years.
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Really?

Taking away Holtz' first 0-11 season at USC, he went 33-26/19-21 with 2 Outback Bowls (and another bowl eligible year missed because of a brawl) in 5 seasons.

In his 5 seasons, Spurrier has gone 35-28/18-22 with 1 Outback and 3 crap bowls.

Given that Holtz took over a 1 win cesspool of a program, I don't really see the improvement.
 
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velovol said:
i know some of you guys are still mad at CPF, but can you really put him on there?

He went undeafeted with his own players, not even Spurrier and Meyer did that, Sabans MNC LSU team had one loss.
Granted he got some luck in the Arky game as well as played FSU with a scrub QB.


Its not like Bama didnt have some luck in there run last year as well as beat a backup QB in there MNC game.

I just cant see how you can put the man on there. I understand being mad at him and the last 5 - 6 years were pretty lousy, but im all ears for the guys who put him on there.
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Talent wise he probably should have had more..
 
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Larry Coker and Les Miles.
Mack Brown reminded me of Fulmer for a long time. Texas is easily the number one job in the country. If he was at another school, he wouldn't have a title to his name.
 
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tnfalcon said:
In regards to Brown, he can roll out of bed and have 20 commitments without any effort. The ONLY reason he won a championship is V. Young. He should've lost to Nebraska last year in the Big 12 title game. His best attribute was being able to get the easiest job in America and that's the only reason he's not my most overrated...jmo
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I will agree with you on the recruiting. Texas doesn't have to recruit. They have guys lined up and it's first come first serve. Mack Brown has forgot what true recruiting is. That being said, Texas is competitive year in and year out, and they have not had any 5-7 seasons during his tenure there. Actually he has had at least 9 wins every year he's been there.
 
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tnfalcon said:
In regards to Brown, he can roll out of bed and have 20 commitments without any effort. The ONLY reason he won a championship is V. Young. He should've lost to Nebraska last year in the Big 12 title game. His best attribute was being able to get the easiest job in America and that's the only reason he's not my most overrated...jmo
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Odd, then, that nobody since Darrell Royal has been able to have that kind of success there.

Since '01, Brown has finished in the top 13 every year, the top 5 5 times, and the top 1 once. That is success, no matter where you are coaching.
 
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cotton said:
Odd, then, that nobody since Darrell Royal has been able to have that kind of success there.

Since '01, Brown has finished in the top 13 every year, the top 5 5 times, and the top 1 once. That is success, no matter where you are coaching.
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Agreed. Recruiting comes easy at Texas, but Mack Brown can coach. 128-27 record since being there is not to shabby.
 
#46
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Coker and Miles for the same reason, inheriting a past NC coach's team. Fulmer actually built the team around him, he just tailed off during his next few years
 
#47
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I can't say who is the most of all time, because I can't dig too far back into history. But of the BCS:

Les Miles

(Dis)Honorable mentions: Fulmer, Tressel, Bowden, Coker, Brown
 
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