Who is the worst/most over rated football coach to win a national championship?

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Dudleys87 said:
Bobby Bowden? :no:
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Sorry. While I always respect the job he did at FSU, building that program, I always thought he was overrated. Maybe if he didn't get so much love from the national media.

I base it on the sheer amount of talent he had come through there, the number of times where FSU really should've won the NC, and his level of competition.

Then, like Fulmer, I consider the dive he allowed FSU to fall into in recent years.

Bottom line: I'm not saying Bowden is a bad coach, but the hype far exceeds the results (only two NC). Thus overrated.
 
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LWSVOL said:
What about Spurrier or Pete Carroll?? With the talent they had accumulated on their clubs, both should have snagged MULTIPLE National Championships while at Florida and USC...
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Oh no, cant say that because Spurrier and Carroll are too cool ,doesnt matter that one is irrelevant now and the other fled USC in lieu of charges . Its easy to say Fulmer because he deserves no credit what so ever.Right? I am not the biggest Fulmer fan and i know he deserves criticism but he also deserves some props. can we quit the bashing it is beyond old and frankly ignorant.

...in another note, I just realized that Kiffin is a Spurrier/Carrol Hybrid. Big Mouth self promoter and classless cheater all rolled up in one.
 
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LWSVOL said:
What about Spurrier or Pete Carroll?? With the talent they had accumulated on their clubs, both should have snagged MULTIPLE National Championships while at Florida and USC...
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They get credit because they actually accumulated the talent rather than having it handed to them.
 
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MUR73 said:
Oh no, cant say that because Spurrier and Carroll are too cool ,doesnt matter that one is irrelevant now and the other fled USC in lieu of charges .
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The thing about Spurrier tho is that he won 6 SEC titles. That's pretty impressive.
 
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Volwark said:
I can't say who is the most of all time, because I can't dig too far back into history. But of the BCS:

Les Miles

(Dis)Honorable mentions: Fulmer, Tressel, Bowden, Coker, Brown
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So, of the ten teams that have won the BCS National Championship, more than half of the winning teams were coached by an over rated coach? Seems like a stretch.
 
#61
#61
I was never a huge Fulmer supporter but one thing I look at when thinking about this is where these schools are located and how many great players come out of their state. With that in mind...schools like, USC, Florida, Miami, UCLA, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, FSU, LSU all should have GREAT programs. Thats where the most fertile ground is for football players. Fulmer built Tennessee up by bring in players from around the country...so with that in mind my list is this.....

Les Miles - That state is LOADED with talent, if Saban had stayed at LSU they would be a better program than Florida.

Bob Stoops- Seriously this man has been handed BCS Championship games on a silver platter and has 1. Pathetic!

Pete Carroll- I mean c'mon he has probably 30-40 four and five star players within 20 miles of his campus and his teams were loaded with parade all americans and he won 1....+ he coached in the weakest BCS conference so all those BCS games don't mean jack cause he was playing in Rose Bowls against the slow Big 10

Larry Coker - See Pete Carroll

Steve Spurrier- He probably would have won 2 at Florida had they not been on probation but still, all that talent in Florida and thats it. Plus the SEC was down during his hey day...I mean Bama had a couple a good years and it was basically Florida and Tennessee and we know he was Fulmers daddy.

OK, Fulmer and Bowden may get an honorable mention but I give them both a free pass. Fulmer lef Tennessee to more wins in a 10 year period than any other school not named FSU. Basically the SEC caught up with Tennessee just like the ACC did Bowden. It happens.
 
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bowden? Hhaha 14 straight top 5 finishes. He was easily the best in the country for a long, long time. absolutely absurd.
 
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LWSVOL said:
beating Fulmer is not what makes him a great coach. My comments have nothing to do with Fulmer. Still think they both have under achieved with the talent they had on hand... Carroll has had far and away the most talent in the country since 2002...

BCS 4 & 5 Star Breakdowns
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Sorry, but Fulmer had superior talent to Spurrier's Florida teams throughout the majority of the 90's, and Spurrier beat the crap out of Fulmer on a regular basis.
 
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BigOrangePassion1 said:
bowden? Hhaha 14 straight top 5 finishes. He was easily the best in the country for a long, long time. absolutely absurd.
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And yet with all that talent, how many national championships to show for it? 2.

Of course I'm not surprised, considering you're a fulmerite.
 
#65
#65
One person that has not been mentioned is Lou Holtz...you wanna see how good him and Spurrier are....see USCe....
 
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#67
Volwark said:
And yet with all that talent, how many national championships to show for it? 2.

Of course I'm not surprised, considering you're a fulmerite.
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Excellent argument. You approach debates in such a scholarly manner.
 
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tnfalcon said:
In regards to Brown, he can roll out of bed and have 20 commitments without any effort. The ONLY reason he won a championship is V. Young. He should've lost to Nebraska last year in the Big 12 title game. His best attribute was being able to get the easiest job in America and that's the only reason he's not my most overrated...jmo
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Mack Brown had the North Carolina Tarheels ranked in the Top 10 to 15 on a pretty regular basis while he was there, and that's ONE HELL of an accomplishment. Anyone claiming that Mack Brown is a weak head coach has no idea what they're talking about.
 
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#71
phil fulmer was a great coach in his prime. he could recruit, coach, and he produced some nfl talent.
just because he ran out of gas and sucked it up for a few years does not mean he was a bad coach.
he does not belong in this discussion.
 
#72
#72
Anybody that mentions Bob Stoops and Bobby Bowden when gems like Coker, Miles, and Fulmer have won titles is providing good lulz.
 
#73
#73
Vol423 said:
Mack Brown had the North Carolina Tarheels ranked in the Top 10 to 15 on a pretty regular basis while he was there, and that's ONE HELL of an accomplishment. Anyone claiming that Mack Brown is a weak head coach has no idea what they're talking about.
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ok...
 
#74
#74
If some of you think Fulmer belongs on this list, then you have to mention Lloyd Carr.
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BigOrangePassion1 said:
And yet he was clearly the very best coach in the country for a long long time.
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Longevity isn't everything. There were coaches who won as many or more titles than him, and in less time, that didn't stick around college football long enough to amass a large winning percentage.

Saying he was "cleary the very best coach etc" is highly questionable.
 
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