Who is the worst/most over rated football coach to win a national championship?

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#77
Dudleys87 said:
Most people consider the 01 and 02 Canes to be at least one if not two of the better teams of their decade.
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2001 Canes was the most talented, and possibly best, team of all time. A rock could have coached them to a national title, probably without a close game against BC.
 
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#79
RDU VOL#14 said:
If some of you think Fulmer belongs on this list, then you have to mention Lloyd Carr.
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Carr is pretty rough. So rough, I totally forgot about him. Its just so hard to look past the likes of Miles and Coker.

His career was like a mini-Fulmer's. Success, NC, then the downhill slide.
 
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Volwark said:
Carr is pretty rough. So rough, I totally forgot about him. Its just so hard to look past the likes of Miles and Coker.
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I'm actually not sure about Carr. I'm betting age did become a factor later on, even if he was overrated before.
 
#81
#81
Volwark said:
Carr is pretty rough. So rough, I totally forgot about him. Its just so hard to look past the likes of Miles and Coker.

His career was like a mini-Fulmer's. Success, NC, then the downhill slide.
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The downhill slide included a bunch of conference titles and BCS games.
 
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chavisut said:
Larry Coker was put in a better situation than Kiffin inherited, and ruined it.
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Larry Coker followed up Schnellenberger, Johnson, Erickson, and Davis, and completely destroyed almost 20 years of excellence in a short time. I have a hard time thinking of a more detrimental hire for any program.
 
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#90
Volwark said:
To his defense, he did actually fare better than Fulmer in his slide. That's true.
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People forget that he dominated guys like JoePa (although I'm not sure how much coaching he was doing later on) and Barry Alvarez. Tressel beat him consistently, but even then, age may have been a factor.
 
#91
#91
Dudleys87 said:
Easy now, look at what he brought them from...
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Yeah, yeah, I know. I agree. Like I said, he's not a bad coach. He's a good coach. Personally, I'd have a hard time calling him great because they underachieved so much once they got to a certain level. Even if he brought them to that level.

I'm just saying that, in light of the love and press he got, he's overrated. That's all.
 
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#92
I can't really see Lloyd Carr being on this list. He coached 13 seasons at Michigan, posted a 122-40 record and never finished worse than 7-5. Actually only did that once. Most years were 9 wins or better.
 
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#93
VolsFanRJ said:
I can't really see Lloyd Carr being on this list. He coached 13 seasons at Michigan, posted a 122-40 record and never finished worse than 7-5. Actually only did that once. Most years were 9 wins or better.
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Also won 5 conference titles. Yes, I know the competition wasn't elite, but he did do well pretty consistently. He doesn't deserve comparison to Coker or Miles.
 
#94
#94
cotton said:
I don't know how you could list a coach who fielded top 10 teams on a fairly regular basis for an extended period of time as "worst" or "overrated," whether it is Fulmer or Brown.
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Brown is just sitting in Tx.. I think that is why he is undeserving. He doesn't even have to try.
 
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#95
What about Stoops? He's second only to Carroll in talent accumulated, and he has exactly the same number of NC as Fulmer in a rich recruiting zone in a two horse conference he may never win again now that Mack is kicking.

Just joking. Fulmer beat all comers in 1998. One of the most deserving titles in the BCS era.

It's Coker and Miles tied for first. They did it with another coach's talent, and Miles had two losses.
 
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#96
Even guys like Fulmer and Brown don't compare to Larry Coker or Miles, in my opinion. Definitely not Coker. I'm surprised he isn't everyone's choice. Even Miles would have taken a few more years to destroy the U.
 
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#97
utgibbs said:
What about Stoops? He's second only to Carroll in talent accumulated, and he has exactly the same number of NC as Fulmer in a rich recruiting zone in a two horse conference he may never win again now that Mack is kicking.
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6 conference titles, 10 years, and his recruiting zone isn't nearly as good as Texas's base, and he'll win again soon, like he did 2 years ago.

Just joking. Fulmer beat all comers in 1998. One of the most deserving titles in the BCS era.
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A few teams can make the claim of being at least as deserving.

It's Coker and Miles tied for first. They did it with another coach's talent, and Miles had two losses.
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And Coker did it with the best team ever assembled.
 
#98
#98
VolsFanRJ said:
I can't really see Lloyd Carr being on this list. He coached 13 seasons at Michigan, posted a 122-40 record and never finished worse than 7-5. Actually only did that once. Most years were 9 wins or better.
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It might have something to do with the fact that, despite all those numbers, he didn't have more championships.
 
#100
#100
If Carr could have beaten Ohio State every couple years, and not lose to Appy State, he would still have the michigan job.

It's easily Coker and Miles. Coker uses Butch's recruits. Miles basically had the NC handed to him.

Mack Brown is the third-best coach in the country. Tell me what Texas did 20 years before he got there...nothing. Brown deserves big props.

A big reason Bowden was so successful was the fact the ACC sucked big-time before the Miami-Va. Tech move.

If Spurrier could have ever beaten Bowden, he could have 3 or 4 titles.

It's hard to measure Tressel and Stoops. Both guys are having trouble winning big games, but they still are greatly successful. I'll take ten years with them over what we have.

Fulmer is on the list, but I'd rather just not talk about it.
 
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