Who starts? Hubbs or Josh?

[bleedingTNorange]

more or less exactly what I was thinking, but with less Davis and more Richardson

Gotcha. Moore will get minutes at the 4 also, almost forgot about him. Rob Lewis said he expects Moore to get quite a few minutes as a hybrid 4 next year tifwiw

 

[omghulkhands]

Gotcha. Moore will get minutes at the 4 also, almost forgot about him. Rob Lewis said he expects Moore to get quite a few minutes as a hybrid 4 next year tifwiw

We certainly have a shortage of bigs outside of the starting 5, but I don't mind going to a small lineup when we look to the bench. I actually liked it quite a bit when we started using smaller lineups last season.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

We certainly have a shortage of bigs outside of the starting 5, but I don't mind going to a small lineup when we look to the bench. I actually liked it quite a bit when we started using smaller lineups last season.

I agree. And it actually may benefit Stokes when we go 4 guard with say golden, McRae, Hubbs and Richardaon...that's a lot of firepower out there.

 

[cncchris33]

62% as a frosh, and 58% as a soph. Inconsistency right there. He'd go 9 of 10 some games and 4-10 in others, can't do that. Also a career 3pt average of 35% is not good either for a "shooting" guard. Although Scotty wasn't a bust, he didn't live up to his 5* name and game IMO.

I'm not lauding his FR or SO performances from the line. Just pointing out he improved over the course of his career, and was actually considerably better than you credited him with being.

 

[cncchris33]

I know you are a Richardson fan, but face it...he got over recruited for a better player. He will get to come off the bench and log some decent minute and depending on next years next years class, he might get to start then.

He wasn't recruited over because Richardson and Hubbs play different positions. That's like saying JRich was recruited over because we signed Thompson.

 

[BigZiti09]

He wasn't recruited over because Richardson and Hubbs play different positions. That's like saying JRich was recruited over because we signed Thompson.

Huh? If you wanted to start Hubbs, logic would say move McRae into Rich's spot, Hubbs into McRae's spot. So yeah, one is a 2 and the other a 3 but they are wing spots that are close enough to interchange players. It's not like you are comparing a 1 and a 5.

 

[cncchris33]

Huh? If you wanted to start Hubbs, logic would say move McRae into Rich's spot, Hubbs into McRae's spot. So yeah, one is a 2 and the other a 3 but they are wing spots that are close enough to interchange players. It's not like you are comparing a 1 and a 5.

That's why I didn't compare a 1 & a 5. I used an all guard scenario, and three players (Thompson, Hubbs, and Richardson), all of whom were recruited to do different things at different positions, and are all more different than alike. Point being, none of them were "recruited over" the other. They all do certain things well and fit as a part of a team puzzle.

 

[BigZiti09]

That's why I didn't compare a 1 & a 5. I used an all guard scenario, and three players (Thompson, Hubbs, and Richardson), all of whom were recruited to do different things at different positions, and are all more different than alike. Point being, none of them were "recruited over" the other. They all do certain things well and fit as a part of a team puzzle.

Fair enough.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Aren't we all missing the point. It's a great problem to have. Go Vols.

 

[johnnybravo]

Are you aware of what Hubbs 3pt% was last year, mind you the line is a foot closer in HS and he's facing much easier competition???

It was less than what McRae's 3pt% was last year.

I know exactly what he shot... 33% from the 3. He did play against easier competition, but normally drew players from the opposite team that were as big or bigger than he was (not 5'5" white guys). He primarily played the post position with his back against the basket since he was the tallest player on the team, so he didn't shoot an abundant amount of 3's in HS. The summer he "blew up" on the AAU circuit, from everything I read, he shot the 3 very well. Many deep with range. This playing his natural 2/3 position. So my analysis is based on his AAU stats and not his HS stats. Every video and game I've seen him in, he seems to have a smooth shot.

Yeah McRae shot 35.5% from the 3 last year, but that percentage is inflated by the 2 games that he blew up in. If you just take out 2 games where he couldn't miss (LSU 6-6,and GA 8-11), then the rest of the year he shot a mediocre 30%. I'm not dissing McRae at all. He had enough attributes to be IMO the SEC POY. But he's not a great 3 pt shooter. He was just the best we had on the team. He shot 1 or less 3's in over half the games last year. IMO, Hubbs will shoot a third of the 3's that McRae will, but will have a close to or higher percentage. My opinion.

 

[utfan72408]

I guess you can't deny the numbers, but let me just say this: Hubbs' stroke looked pretty damn good at the Derby Festival Classic a few weeks ago. And with range, too.

SJA can vouch for me there.

 

[orangelo]

The only way to properly evaluate Hubbs' value to the Vols is to watch his AAU film. His role with M33M is exactly what it will be at UT. At DCHS he often played in the high post an defended on the block due to the teams lack of size. JM2C

 

[johnnybravo]

The only way to properly evaluate Hubbs' value to the Vols is to watch his AAU film. His role with M33M is exactly what it will be at UT. At DCHS he often played in the high post an defended on the block due to the teams lack of size. JM2C

That's exactly how I'm basing my analysis of him. He showed that he was able to score by driving or shooting long 3's last summer with M33M when he blew up. He went from barely on the radar to the #2 shooting guard in the country in one summer. People that think he can't shoot will be very pleasantly surprised. His HS game is nothing like his AAU game.

 

[cncchris33]

That's exactly how I'm basing my analysis of him. He showed that he was able to score by driving or shooting long 3's last summer with M33M when he blew up. He went from barely on the radar to the #2 shooting guard in the country in one summer. People that think he can't shoot will be very pleasantly surprised. His HS game is nothing like his AAU game.

You are operating on the basis of absolutes. You claim he'll be the "BEST 3-point shooter on the team" next year, and then claim that the rest of us say "he can't shoot". That's not fair or accurate. I don't remember anyone explicitly saying he can't shoot, or that he's a bad shooter. It's just not his strength and he doesn't do it consistently. There is a Grand Canyon-sized gap between "best shooter on the team" and someone who can't shoot.

You've made some fair points, but I think you need to prepare yourself for the possibility that he likely will fall short of your expectations. Freshmen usually do.

 

[SJAVol32]

I guess you can't deny the numbers, but let me just say this: Hubbs' stroke looked pretty damn good at the Derby Festival Classic a few weeks ago. And with range, too.

SJA can vouch for me there.

Definitely. Even though it was an All-Star game. He look really really comfortable.

 

[johnnybravo]

You are operating on the basis of absolutes. You claim he'll be the "BEST 3-point shooter on the team" next year, and then claim that the rest of us say "he can't shoot". That's not fair or accurate. I don't remember anyone explicitly saying he can't shoot, or that he's a bad shooter. It's just not his strength and he doesn't do it consistently. There is a Grand Canyon-sized gap between "best shooter on the team" and someone who can't shoot.

You've made some fair points, but I think you need to prepare yourself for the possibility that he likely will fall short of your expectations. Freshmen usually do.

The point that I was trying to make is that we have no great 3 point shooters on our team at all. NONE. That was one of our biggest weakness last year. We lost McBee. Yeah, he sucked, but he could knock down a few every now and then. Golden is not a great 3 pt shooter. McRae hit 35.5% last year, but like I said those numbers were inflated by 2 games. Take those stats out and he's 30%. Other than that you have Reese and Edwards that have shown they can hit a few every now and then, but they will not see the floor IMO. Hell, one of them might not even be on the team next year. Richardson is a turnover when he spots up and shoots a 3. So, the competition for shooting the highest percentage on the team next year is really Golden and Mcrae. Both might shoot 30% next year, which is really not a good percentage at all for a guard. Yes, both could have exceptional years and could hit above 40% which is what this team needs. But if we are looking at the 30% range, then I think Hubbs can probably hit that also. Being the 4th option in the offense, he will not be drawing the best defensive players on the opposing teams and I think he will potentionally have much better open looks, than what McRae or Golden will have. So, with that I think he could potentially shoot a very good percentage.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I know exactly what he shot... 33% from the 3. He did play against easier competition, but normally drew players from the opposite team that were as big or bigger than he was (not 5'5" white guys). He primarily played the post position with his back against the basket since he was the tallest player on the team, so he didn't shoot an abundant amount of 3's in HS. The summer he "blew up" on the AAU circuit, from everything I read, he shot the 3 very well. Many deep with range. This playing his natural 2/3 position. So my analysis is based on his AAU stats and not his HS stats. Every video and game I've seen him in, he seems to have a smooth shot.

Yeah McRae shot 35.5% from the 3 last year, but that percentage is inflated by the 2 games that he blew up in. If you just take out 2 games where he couldn't miss (LSU 6-6,and GA 8-11), then the rest of the year he shot a mediocre 30%. I'm not dissing McRae at all. He had enough attributes to be IMO the SEC POY. But he's not a great 3 pt shooter. He was just the best we had on the team. He shot 1 or less 3's in over half the games last year. IMO, Hubbs will shoot a third of the 3's that McRae will, but will have a close to or higher percentage. My opinion.

If Hubbs comes in and shoots 38%+ from three I will be pleasantly surprise and it probably means we were pretty good. Ifcrae and Hubbs both shoot 35%, but McRae takes 3x as many 3s like you're saying, IMO that would make McRae the better shooter (keeping that % while taking a higher volume of shots).

 

[bleedingTNorange]

The point that I was trying to make is that we have no great 3 point shooters on our team at all. NONE. That was one of our biggest weakness last year. We lost McBee. Yeah, he sucked, but he could knock down a few every now and then. Golden is not a great 3 pt shooter. McRae hit 35.5% last year, but like I said those numbers were inflated by 2 games. Take those stats out and he's 30%. Other than that you have Reese and Edwards that have shown they can hit a few every now and then, but they will not see the floor IMO. Hell, one of them might not even be on the team next year. Richardson is a turnover when he spots up and shoots a 3. So, the competition for shooting the highest percentage on the team next year is really Golden and Mcrae. Both might shoot 30% next year, which is really not a good percentage at all for a guard. Yes, both could have exceptional years and could hit above 40% which is what this team needs. But if we are looking at the 30% range, then I think Hubbs can probably hit that also. Being the 4th option in the offense, he will not be drawing the best defensive players on the opposing teams and I think he will potentionally have much better open looks, than what McRae or Golden will have. So, with that I think he could potentially shoot a very good percentage.

I think Thompson will shoot a better % than Hubbs from 3, and I wouldn't be shocked if Davis is in that 32-35% range either.

Nobody is saying Hubbs can't shoot, I watched the kid pull up from where Lofton hit the shot over Durant and drill shot after shot. My point (like Chris) has been your original statement was that he would be the best 3 point shooter next year, I think that's unfair is all. You can't eliminate McRae's hot games, that's like taking a 80 yard run away from a running back and saying it doesn't count into his average, it counts. McRae's percentage has gone up each year so far, and the fact it continue to rose last year even though he was the focal point of the offense impressed me. Pretty much what I'm saying is, I don't expect Hubbs or McRae to shoot over say 38% from 3, but I think both will be very close to that number and McRae will probably take a few more than Hubbs does. So to say flat out that Hubbs will be the best 3 point shooter on the team next year IMO you're either saying 1. McRae's numbers are going to really go down or 2. Hubbs is going to come in and shoot the lights out...I don't see either as being very likely.

 

[johnnybravo]

I think Thompson will shoot a better % than Hubbs from 3

I thought about him. He shot around 45% in HS, but I'm not to sure he will shoot that many at all next year. Maybe jack up a few late in the shot clock, but I think there will be a lot of scoring options on the floor with him and he won't be expected to do much at all besides bringing the ball up. I think he will lead the team the following year tough.

 

[omghulkhands]

I thought about him. He shot around 45% in HS, but I'm not to sure he will shoot that many at all next year. Maybe jack up a few late in the shot clock, but I think there will be a lot of scoring options on the floor with him and he won't be expected to do much at all besides bringing the ball up. I think he will lead the team the following year tough.

45%?!?!?! HEYOOOOO that excites me.

 

[johnnybravo]

45%?!?!?! HEYOOOOO that excites me.

I'm pretty sure that's what he shot last year. Not in HS career. I'm just going off memory though.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I thought about him. He shot around 45% in HS, but I'm not to sure he will shoot that many at all next year. Maybe jack up a few late in the shot clock, but I think there will be a lot of scoring options on the floor with him and he won't be expected to do much at all besides bringing the ball up. I think he will lead the team the following year tough.

On the flip side of that he may be the beneficiary on offense of some wide open looks. You put him out there with McRae, Hubbs, Maymon and Stokes and now he's the 5th option and likeky finding himself wide open.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I'm pretty sure that's what he shot last year. Not in HS career. I'm just going off memory though.

I edited this in above...



Nobody is saying Hubbs can't shoot, I watched the kid pull up from where Lofton hit the shot over Durant and drill shot after shot. My point (like Chris) has been your original statement was that he would be the best 3 point shooter next year, I think that's unfair is all. You can't eliminate McRae's hot games, that's like taking a 80 yard run away from a running back and saying it doesn't count into his average, it counts. McRae's percentage has gone up each year so far, and the fact it continue to rose last year even though he was the focal point of the offense impressed me. Pretty much what I'm saying is, I don't expect Hubbs or McRae to shoot over say 38% from 3, but I think both will be very close to that number and McRae will probably take a few more than Hubbs does. So to say flat out that Hubbs will be the best 3 point shooter on the team next year IMO you're either saying 1. McRae's numbers are going to really go down or 2. Hubbs is going to come in and shoot the lights out...I don't see either as being very likely.

 

[johnnybravo]

I think Thompson will shoot a better % than Hubbs from 3, and I wouldn't be shocked if Davis is in that 32-35% range either.

Nobody is saying Hubbs can't shoot, I watched the kid pull up from where Lofton hit the shot over Durant and drill shot after shot. My point (like Chris) has been your original statement was that he would be the best 3 point shooter next year, I think that's unfair is all. You can't eliminate McRae's hot games, that's like taking a 80 yard run away from a running back and saying it doesn't count into his average, it counts. McRae's percentage has gone up each year so far, and the fact it continue to rose last year even though he was the focal point of the offense impressed me. Pretty much what I'm saying is, I don't expect Hubbs or McRae to shoot over say 38% from 3, but I think both will be very close to that number and McRae will probably take a few more than Hubbs does. So to say flat out that Hubbs will be the best 3 point shooter on the team next year IMO you're either saying 1. McRae's numbers are going to really go down or 2. Hubbs is going to come in and shoot the lights out...I don't see either as being very likely.

I honestly think McRae's 3 pt% will be very close to what we saw his Soph. year. Around 32%. So, yes I think they will drop slightly. That's what his average was in 97% of the games last year. If Hubbs can shoot around 32%, then I don't think that's really shooting lights out.

 

[johnnybravo]

On the flip side of that he may be the beneficiary on offense of some wide open looks. You put him out there with McRae, Hubbs, Maymon and Stokes and now he's the 5th option and likeky finding himself wide open.

I just don't think he will be a big part of the offense at all, so I really didn't include him. Similar, to Reese or Edwards this year. Both shot a higher percentage than McRae, but I wouldn't include them in the convo.

IMO he logs more minutes than Reese / Edwards potentionally, but not enough to be considered in the convo.