Who Wants To Fire Butch?

Who Wants Butch Fired?

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#227
#227
knoxvols11 said:
Somebody (star) what I'm finna' post because I want to be able to say I told you so before everyone else does. Butch will bebgone by the end of his fourth year. To those who understand building a football program he just doesn't have enough of "it" to get it done!
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Nut uh
 
#229
#229
Doyle Hargraves said:
I get what you are saying, but let's say he wins 8 and loses the bowl game in year three. Does that qualify as winning big or do we tear it apart and start this process all over again?
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I'll opt for 9 wins in the third year. I'd feel better then. Not concerned with winning SEC championships or bowl games right now, just need to get positioned to make teams worry when they walk into Neyland. Some chide others because of wanting instant gratification. It's been a long time coming already. A loss tomorrow will build a fire under the torch and pitchfork crew and this board will probably be lit up calling for his termination.
 
#230
#230
Given that 6-6 after consecutive losing seasons would have saved CDD I anticipate the same low standard for CBJ. .500 or better year 3 keeps his job with surrounding huge hype about "on the way back, foundation completed, etc."

IMO as long as CBJ hits 8 or 9 wins occasionally he stays on the hill as long as he wants. And a lot of people would be very pleased with that.
 
#231
#231
phowell23 said:
I agree...however IMO he doesn't have to win a SEC championship or even compete in one by year 3. I think if he can get us to 9 wins by year 3 he's still golden.

I say 7 wins next year (including bowl) and 9 wins in year 3 (including bowl). Now year 4 he better be competing for a SEC Championship and with this amazing recruiting class most of them will be RS Sophomores or Juniors he should be. 10 wins year 4 (including bowl). We'll officially be back.

Year 5 playing in SEC Championship. 11 win season (including bowl)
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Perhaps it is just me being down about this season but I find it difficult seeing seven wins next season.
 
#232
#232
Slydell said:
I'll opt for 9 wins in the third year. I'd feel better then. Not concerned with winning SEC championships or bowl games right now, just need to get positioned to make teams worry when they walk into Neyland. Some chide others because of wanting instant gratification. It's been a long time coming already. A loss tomorrow will build a fire under the torch and pitchfork crew and this board will probably be lit up calling for his termination.
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You can count on the meltdown if Kentucky wins tomorrow. It might happen to an extent if we win a close one.
 
#233
#233
I don't expect much of a different result next year. No matter how good the recruiting class turns out to be they will still be young. The QB situation will be the same and the Oline will be completely gutted.
 
#234
#234
sjt18 said:
Franklin outcoached Jones... and Jones had ALOT more athletic talent to work with.
I don't like Franklin but he has done WAY more with WAY less. Jones has underachieved the talent on his roster by 1-3 losses depending on what happens at UK.
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But Franklin did have at least as much talent - plus more experience - at 2 key positions, QB and WR.
 
#235
#235
UrbanCryer said:
i was bored at work so i did a little research. these stats are from rivals and go from 2010-2013.

UT has signed 98 players of which 66 are still on the team. 0-5*/24-4*/35-3*/7-2*
Bama signed 100 players of which 80 are still on the team. 10-5*/43-4*/27-3*/0-2*
Vandy has only signed 9-4* players since 2010. they are loaded with 2 & 3 star guys

youve got to have players and coaches.

when talent levels are even the coach makes the difference. as much as it hurts to say see the vandy game. close to same level talent and got out coached.

got to have players to get to the elite level. take us vs. bama. tons of good/great players and we got smashed.
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Do mizzou, do mizzou
 
#236
#236
Carl Pickens said:
I don't expect much of a different result next year. No matter how good the recruiting class turns out to be they will still be young. The QB situation will be the same and the Oline will be completely gutted.
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Me either CP.

I'd dislike to add our Dline will be gutted also.
 
#237
#237
We are in year 8 of the UT rebuilding project, so what's 3-4 more years? Butch needs time to lead the Vols out of bondage.
 
#238
#238
Carl Pickens said:
I don't expect much of a different result next year. No matter how good the recruiting class turns out to be they will still be young. The QB situation will be the same and the Oline will be completely gutted.
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Next year will be rough. Very rough.
 
#240
#240
tm3 said:
Given that 6-6 after consecutive losing seasons would have saved CDD I anticipate the same low standard for CBJ. .500 or better year 3 keeps his job with surrounding huge hype about "on the way back, foundation completed, etc."

IMO as long as CBJ hits 8 or 9 wins occasionally he stays on the hill as long as he wants. And a lot of people would be very pleased with that.
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I don't agree with that assessment. The objective at UT is to win championships. Maybe not every year but on the years the team doesn't win it, they should at least be in the mix for it. I'm pretty sure every Vol fan feels this way. The big disconnect among fans at this time is this season and how much of it is CBJ and how much can be laid at the feet of the state of the program when CBJ took over. I know how I feel about that, and I know how you feel about that. None of it can really be known for sure. The part that really gets to me though is people clamoring for change after one year with the new staff. There is no way that makes sense. Maybe after year 2, definitely after year 3. :peace2:
 
#241
#241
Dragon18 said:
I don't agree with that assessment. The objective at UT is to win championships. Maybe not every year but on the years the team doesn't win it, they should at least be in the mix for it. I'm pretty sure every Vol fan feels this way. The big disconnect among fans at this time is this season and how much of it is CBJ and how much can be laid at the feet of the state of the program when CBJ took over. I know how I feel about that, and I know how you feel about that. None of it can really be known for sure. The part that really gets to me though is people clamoring for change after one year with the new staff. There is no way that makes sense. Maybe after year 2, definitely after year 3. :peace2:
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my objective is for UT to win championships. i'm sure that your objective is for UT to win championships. and as you said, if not winning they should still be in the mix ie competitive with their rivals. there are a lot of vol fans that feel the same way, but there are a surprising number of vol fans that are quite content to just get to a bowl game, or at the best "compete for the east" whatever that means. i can't claim to know the exact breakdown or even who is in the majority, but the large number that i see that would be content with mediocrity is surprising and alarming.

what i AM confident of, however, is that the vision of SEC football championships is not the priority of the current UT administration, nor is it the priority of the single biggest UT booster. i'm not going to list all the details here but would be happy to buy you a beer and tell the tale. unfortunately i think that winning starts at the top and that the current admin is a major impediment to UT climbing back to where you and i want them to be.

it may be that UT "caught lightning in a bottle" with CBJ and he is wildly successful, in spite of the handicaps he faces because of the administration -- i certainly hope so.
 
#242
#242
tm3 said:
my objective is for UT to win championships. i'm sure that your objective is for UT to win championships. and as you said, if not winning they should still be in the mix ie competitive with their rivals. there are a lot of vol fans that feel the same way, but there are a surprising number of vol fans that are quite content to just get to a bowl game, or at the best "compete for the east" whatever that means. i can't claim to know the exact breakdown or even who is in the majority, but the large number that i see that would be content with mediocrity is surprising and alarming.

what i AM confident of, however, is that the vision of SEC football championships is not the priority of the current UT administration, nor is it the priority of the single biggest UT booster. i'm not going to list all the details here but would be happy to buy you a beer and tell the tale. unfortunately i think that winning starts at the top and that the current admin is a major impediment to UT climbing back to where you and i want them to be.

it may be that UT "caught lightning in a bottle" with CBJ and he is wildly successful, in spite of the handicaps he faces because of the administration -- i certainly hope so.
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^This guy here knows what's what.^
 
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#244
#244
No one with an IQ over 60 would want to fire any of our coaches until after the 2015 seas0on. If the team is still void of talent and we don't go bowling, then have at it.
 
#245
#245
tm3 said:
my objective is for UT to win championships. i'm sure that your objective is for UT to win championships. and as you said, if not winning they should still be in the mix ie competitive with their rivals. there are a lot of vol fans that feel the same way, but there are a surprising number of vol fans that are quite content to just get to a bowl game, or at the best "compete for the east" whatever that means. i can't claim to know the exact breakdown or even who is in the majority, but the large number that i see that would be content with mediocrity is surprising and alarming.

what i AM confident of, however, is that the vision of SEC football championships is not the priority of the current UT administration, nor is it the priority of the single biggest UT booster. i'm not going to list all the details here but would be happy to buy you a beer and tell the tale. unfortunately i think that winning starts at the top and that the current admin is a major impediment to UT climbing back to where you and i want them to be.

it may be that UT "caught lightning in a bottle" with CBJ and he is wildly successful, in spite of the handicaps he faces because of the administration -- i certainly hope so.
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I've said this for a long time. As long as the fans continue to buy season tickets at a moderate rate and donors continue to give a moderate amount of $$$, the administration doesn't really care. The UTAD has been spiraling down ever since it was placed under the UTK Chancellor.
 
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#246
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tm3 said:
my objective is for UT to win championships. i'm sure that your objective is for UT to win championships. and as you said, if not winning they should still be in the mix ie competitive with their rivals. there are a lot of vol fans that feel the same way, but there are a surprising number of vol fans that are quite content to just get to a bowl game, or at the best "compete for the east" whatever that means. i can't claim to know the exact breakdown or even who is in the majority, but the large number that i see that would be content with mediocrity is surprising and alarming.

what i AM confident of, however, is that the vision of SEC football championships is not the priority of the current UT administration, nor is it the priority of the single biggest UT booster. i'm not going to list all the details here but would be happy to buy you a beer and tell the tale. unfortunately i think that winning starts at the top and that the current admin is a major impediment to UT climbing back to where you and i want them to be.

it may be that UT "caught lightning in a bottle" with CBJ and he is wildly successful, in spite of the handicaps he faces because of the administration -- i certainly hope so.
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Interesting post TM. I have no knowledge of any of what your referring to. I'm no insider at all. I'm afraid that if the admin and boosters don't share a commitment to championships, it hurts any winning culture the coaches try to create. Thanks for the offer on a beer though! :hi:
 
#247
#247
phowell23 said:
I agree...however IMO he doesn't have to win a SEC championship or even compete in one by year 3. I think if he can get us to 9 wins by year 3 he's still golden.

I say 7 wins next year (including bowl) and 9 wins in year 3 (including bowl). Now year 4 he better be competing for a SEC Championship and with this amazing recruiting class most of them will be RS Sophomores or Juniors he should be. 10 wins year 4 (including bowl). We'll officially be back.

Year 5 playing in SEC Championship. 11 win season (including bowl)
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You know this is reasonable. I'm for it.
 
#248
#248
MrBiggles said:
Hope you were drunk when you wrote this one. I'll admit I was pretty PO after watching that game too. I was wishing it wasn't 10 am on Sunday morning here so I could drink. Thought we looked like a FCS school.
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I will take back only the part about firing CBJ right now because we need him to recruit, but based on game planing and in-game coaching CBJ and his staff have displayed during majority of this year they should all be gone.
 
#249
#249
If Hart decides to hang it up in the next few years and by some miracle they hire a bonafide AD. The pressure to contend will be amped up on Butch.
 
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#250
#250
CBJ and his staff need at least 4 years to build this program back up with recruiting and stealing a win or two each season.
 
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