Who wins the east this year. Rank em!

#76
#76
Florida won't be bad but their schedule is brutal. Fl St, Bama and LSU. So are we ranking the east how it will play out in SEC standings or overall? I'm assuming conf wins. Still very hard to pick between them and UT.

1 Mizzu
2 Georgia
3 USC
4 UT
5 UF
6 UK
7 Vandy
 
#77
#77
tennesseeduke said:
VOLinNC said:
Saw this on tos
1. USC- returning 15
2. UGA- returning 16
3. Mizzou- returning10
4. Fla- returning 16
5. Vandy- returning 12
6. Kent.-returning 16
7. Tenn. returning 11


Whoever posted that on TOS, Your an idiot!

1. GA short Fat Dogs they have enough returning starters to overcome QB loss. Alot of questions on Defense still with new staff and system. I've had them at 1st or 3rd but looking at the other teams next season I don't see how they can't win the EAST.
2. Fla. Gators don't sleep on them because of a dismal season in 2013. They have talent everywhere and typically the injury bug doesn't kill a team 2 yrs in a row. Offense will still struggle some but Defense will keep them in every game. If they don't finish 2nd or better then Muskrat is gone!
3. USCe Cocks losing Conner Shaw is going to cost them big time then add Clowney to that from the defensive side spells issues. Also 2 best offensive lineman are gone.
4. Tenn returning only 10 is not a bad thing. CBJ & company with 2nd recruiting class now 2nd yr in the system, QB with exp. Fresh new outlook, weak East. Touch schedule again!
5. Misswhori one yr act is over. QB gone, coaching staff overrated. Defense will struggle.
6. Candy is back to being candy!
7. She Cats they just suck!

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Oh, the irony.
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#78
#78
VOLinNC said:
It may be my orange tinted glasses again but I don't think there's a hands down better team than us in the east. If we can get good QB play
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And I'm sure you'll be calling for Butch's head when we win 6 or 7 games. We don't have a clue what our QB, OL, or DL is going to look like. Better start pumping the brakes now.
 
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#79
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K-town Vol Fan said:
And I'm sure you'll be calling for Butch's head when we win 6 or 7 games. We don't have a clue what our QB, OL, or DL is going to look like. Better start pumping the brakes now.
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6 wins and a bowl will be a challenge given our schedule. Lots of folks here at VolNation have yet to understand Utah State is not North Texas State, they play big boy football. We should prevail but it wont be easy and we are subject to getting an L early that most folks are taking fro granted. I dont see us seeing a big trunaround until 2015 season. UGA, not that good, watch Richt fighting for his job by end of season. That Mizzou QB graduating .. it was their little redshirt frosh QB that torched us playing in his stead, they have one more year of being good before going to the bottom of the SEC East IMO.
 
#81
#81
If Mizzou wins the East or finishes in the top 2 then a couple of things are true. One, the rankings and ratings provided by the recruiting sites mean absolutely nothing... not "well, they're not perfect"... they mean NOTHING. Two, the solace that we are taking in Jones' recruiting ability is baseless.... since the rankings and ratings mean NOTHING. So, we all better hope they are better coaches than they showed this year.


But here is my suspicion. Mizzou will continue to follow roughly the same pattern they had in the Big 12. They'll pop up once in awhile when they have a "perfect storm" of a uniquely talented team of overachievers and upperclassmen who have been developing and getting experience in their system. Usually this will NOT result in winning the East. UF, UT, and UGA all had bad years. That will not be typical.

The only way Mizzou makes a habit out of competing for the East is if their recruiting improves significantly. They currently have two 4* commits, a bunch of 2* commits,... and they're pretty close to done. They're 12th overall in recruiting IN THE SEC and have the lowest star average in the SEC at 2.8.

Again, unless the recruiting sites really have no clue AT ALL... Mizzou does not have the talent and will not have the talent to become a perennial threat in the East.

IF... IF... they do then UT needs to offer Pinkel whatever it would take to get him to coach at UT.
 
#82
#82
bamawriter said:
USCe

USCe goes unbeaten in the division.
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They may win the East but I seriously doubt this will happen. They do not have a talent advantage over UF or UGA and may not have one over UT though they will have an experienced team. They drop Ark and MSU and pick up Auburn and TAM. That will stress their roster. They were thin this year but got away with it due to a lighter schedule. This year they open with TAM, ECU, and UGA.

I just don't see their depth of talent getting them to where you think they'll go.
 
#83
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K-town Vol Fan said:
And I'm sure you'll be calling for Butch's head when we win 6 or 7 games. We don't have a clue what our QB, OL, or DL is going to look like. Better start pumping the brakes now.
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And folks like you will probably be here to make ridiculous and strained excuses.

If Jones wins less than six this year then many if not most will be questioning him... and rightly so. The 2013 team underachieved. He ultimately owns that whether you think it is fair or not. The 2014 roster will be made up of mostly players he's recruited and signed. He will have had two springs and well over two years to have developed most of these players.

If he is the right coach... an elite or even upper tier coach... then he will win the games he should and some he shouldn't. He and his staff had two games where they looked like the right staff in 2013. They have to be better than that for UT to win more than 5 games in '14 and to expect to survive past year 3.
 
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Other_Guy said:
Florida won't be bad but their schedule is brutal. Fl St, Bama and LSU. So are we ranking the east how it will play out in SEC standings or overall? I'm assuming conf wins. Still very hard to pick between them and UT.

1 Mizzu
2 Georgia
3 USC
4 UT
5 UF
6 UK
7 Vandy
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All indications to the contrary.
 
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#85
#85
Georgia
USCjr
Florida
Missouri
Tennessee
Vandy
Kentucky

edit: I didn't realize James Franklin had left Mizzou. That changes my pick and I drop them to 4th.
 
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#86
Brianchevy said:
Georgia
USCjr
Florida
Missouri
Tennessee
Vandy
Kentucky

edit: I didn't realize James Franklin had left Mizzou. That changes my pick and I drop them to 4th.
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Why? Maty Mauk played pretty well while he was out.
 
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#88
sjt18 said:
If Mizzou wins the East or finishes in the top 2 then a couple of things are true. One, the rankings and ratings provided by the recruiting sites mean absolutely nothing... not "well, they're not perfect"... they mean NOTHING. Two, the solace that we are taking in Jones' recruiting ability is baseless.... since the rankings and ratings mean NOTHING. So, we all better hope they are better coaches than they showed this year.


But here is my suspicion. Mizzou will continue to follow roughly the same pattern they had in the Big 12. They'll pop up once in awhile when they have a "perfect storm" of a uniquely talented team of overachievers and upperclassmen who have been developing and getting experience in their system. Usually this will NOT result in winning the East. UF, UT, and UGA all had bad years. That will not be typical.

The only way Mizzou makes a habit out of competing for the East is if their recruiting improves significantly. They currently have two 4* commits, a bunch of 2* commits,... and they're pretty close to done. They're 12th overall in recruiting IN THE SEC and have the lowest star average in the SEC at 2.8.

Again, unless the recruiting sites really have no clue AT ALL... Mizzou does not have the talent and will not have the talent to become a perennial threat in the East.

IF... IF... they do then UT needs to offer Pinkel whatever it would take to get him to coach at UT.
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Rankings usually do mean something.

However, butch is about to sign about 35 freshman or more. They need time to eat their flintstones vitamins
 
#90
#90
South Carolina will always be a threat as long as Spurrier is coaching them. I'm having trouble discounting Georgia because of the backs they have returning. A good rushing attack can help a new QB get adjusted. Florida is in transition, but they always seem to recruit well (like UGA) and that cannot be overlooked. Mizzou has lost quite a bit on both sides of the ball, and their best returning WR is in trouble. UK has a decent coach who can recruit, but he's still got too much to overcome. Vandy will not sneak up on anyone in 2014, nor will they likely have the kind of luck they had last season (injuries at UGA and UF). All of these things would appear to put the Vols in the middle of the pack.

But there are many questions for the Vols as well: Who will come out of spring practice as starting QB? How quickly can rebuilt lines on both sides of the ball be ready for SEC competition? How many newcomers will be ready to play by the start of the season? Will the 2014 schedule hurt the Vols more than it helps? Tough road trips to Oklahoma, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Carolina won't help. Even the home game are no picnic with Bama, Florida, Missouri (who UT has yet to beat since they entered the SEC), and underrated Utah State.
 
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#91
I think a lot of people are forgetting that our QBs still suck. Without a good QB, I don't think we are going to be a top 3 team in the east Jmho
 
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volforlife15 said:
I think a lot of people are forgetting that our QBs still suck. Without a good QB, I don't think we are going to be a top 3 team in the east Jmho
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We haven't seen one play, the other, that upset USCe, was injured, and the other was a freshman taking his lumps.

Overreacting.
 
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What Mizzou this year will be incredibly hard to replicate. They, like Vandy, benefited from a very injured UGA, an injured and ill-coached UF, and a UT team that was very thin and playing a 4th string QB. I will go on the record as saying Mizzou only goes 1 for 3 of those games. Like A&M, Mizzou will settle in to performing at or near talent averages.

Florida is hard to project. They still have a pretty decent amount of latent talent, but Muschamp is simply the worst coach in the SEC.

UT is poised to gain a few wins. If the signing class holds true, across the board there is an increase in talent on the two deep. Secondarily, Jones is a coach with a history of over-performance relative to talent.

Vandy will probably take a few steps back. Not only was Franklin a rare over-performer, but UT, UGA and UF will all be better than they were when Vandy played them last, and it is likely that Vandy will be worse. I say Vandy goes 0-3 in those games.

UF, USC and UGA will be solid teams, but likely less solid than they were at their peak during the 2013 season. Richt tends to trend right along talent predictions. Spurrier used to have a pretty solid over-performance, but now tends to track near talent predictions. And UF under Muschamp tends to travel considerably below talent.

All of this is even murkier due to the unknowns associated with signing day. Until I can factor in the impact of the known quantities that sign in February, all of this is pure speculation.

I think the SEC east is the muddiest it has been in recent memory.

UGA
SCAR/UT/UF
Mizzou
Vandy/Kentucky

Based on talent and coaching effect, here is how I see UT's season (again this is a pre signing day prediction).

I think the most likely scenario is a bell curve with the peak outcome being that UT wins two of UF/UGA/SCAR/Mizzou. Winning 1 or 3 would be the second likeliest scenario, and winning 0 is as probable as winning all 4 (not likely).

Individually there is a 70% chance that UT beats Vandy, Kentucky and Ole Miss.

There is a 70% chance that UT loses to Bama.

That puts UT at a likely 5-3 in the SEC, and at 8-4 overall. The floor of UT's season is 6 wins and the max is 10. Again, I see that as a bell curve peaking at 8.

If you just want to look at raw talent projections, the east would look like this:

UF
UGA
UT
SCAR
Mizzou
Vandy
Kentucky
 
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#97
#97
CountVolcula said:
Just because I don't get drunk off the orange Koolaid makes me a Vandy troll?

You guys are something else.

Just keep thinking we will win the east and lets see some of y'all reactions at the end of the season
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As soon as we lose a game these goobers will be screaming for CBJ's head....If we finish 6-6 next season i will do back flips...Too many young players to be contenders in the east.
 
#98
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volforlife15 said:
I think a lot of people are forgetting that our QBs still suck. Without a good QB, I don't think we are going to be a top 3 team in the east Jmho
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No. They don't all "suck". In fact, all of them have the natural talent to be successful SEC QB's.

If they are coached up and the WR play improves... the QB's will be just fine.
 
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99gator said:
Rankings usually do mean something.

However, butch is about to sign about 35 freshman or more. They need time to eat their flintstones vitamins
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That post was more about Mizzou than UT. They caught a "perfect storm" this year that happened to coincide with one of their "up" years. Their history is like that of Bama under Shula. Bad year when a bunch of young guys play. Good year when they start to get better. Very good year when they become upperclassmen. Repeat. Mizzou's cycle has been longer though. They kind of have to "luck out" on underrated recruits to get their best years.

I honestly have no idea how good UT will be. Regardless of what many here want to believe... it still comes down to coaching. If this staff is good then the talent is there and can be coached up to a "good" season of six or 7 wins. Possibly 8 with a bounce or two.
 
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