Whoa! Aaron murray gets destroyed (video)

[OrangeBalls]

Words can't describe how much of an idiot you are. It is football not ****ing golf. How about you learn the ****ing game kid?

Describe one bit where that play wasn't a cheap shot punk. You're the typical 12 year old girl on here who talks sh*t who would otherwise get their ass kicked if you tried to act like that in person.

Look at the badass kid!

 

[DarthVisor]

It was unnecessary, imo. At the very least, it should have been helmet-to-helmet.

 

[therealUT]

Just for reference everyone, bleedorange0037, better known as the inventor of football, doesn't think this is a cheap shot.

Alabama's Lamichael Fanning suplexes Missouri Runningback - YouTube

I rest my case.

I do not agree with you that this was a cheap shot.

 

[therealUT]

Is there a rule against helmet to helmet blocks?

I imagine that there is one on the books, and that it is a recent addition. I know that when I was playing, I was taught, on crack-blocks, to ear-hole the defender. The rule, at the time, was simply that one could not lead with the crown of their helmet. We put a lot of facemask to helmet, though.

 

[OrangeBalls]

I do not agree with you that this was a cheap shot.

Then you are in a very small minority. That's as bushleague of a move as I've ever seen and the player even aplogized for it because he knew it was out of bounds.

 

[therealUT]

Then you are in a very small minority. That's as bushleague of a move as I've ever seen and the player even aplogized for it because he knew it was out of bounds.

I care little about what group I am in; I care less about the size of that group.

Murray is a football player. As a football player, he might want to keep in mind that he turns into a defensive player when he throws an interception. He might also want to keep his head on a swivel, because now he is fair game. Oh, one more thing, he might want to stop prancing out there on the field and actually put some effort into chasing down and tackling the individual on the other team who he threw the ball to.

 

[OrangeBalls]

I care little about what group I am in; I care less about the size of that group.

Murray is a football player. As a football player, he might want to keep in mind that he turns into a defensive player when he throws an interception. He might also want to keep his head on a swivel, because now he is fair game. Oh, one more thing, he might want to stop prancing out there on the field and actually put some effort into chasing down and tackling the individual on the other team who he threw the ball to.

That's obvious because we have a ton of internet badasses on here.

If you don't think the suplex move was bushleague then maybe you need to watch rasslin' instead. And I'd be willing to bet if your kid got hit like Murray you'd be just fine and dandy with it. Good Lord. Some of you people.

 

[therealUT]

That's obvious because we have a ton of internet badasses on here.

If you don't think the suplex move was bushleague then maybe you need to watch rasslin' instead. And I'd be willing to bet if your kid got hit like Murray you'd be just fine and dandy with it. Good Lord. Some of you people.

I definitely do not think the "suplex" was bushleague. Wrap up the ball carrier and get the guy down; that play is no worse than having ten guys fly in to "clean-up" once the ball carrier is wrapped up.

I would not say that the kid did anything wrong. I would be upset at my own for throwing a pick and then lolly-gagging around.

Enjoy your ice-dancing this winter.

 

[UofLFan]

I definitely do not think the "suplex" was bushleague. Wrap up the ball carrier and get the guy down; that play is no worse than having ten guys fly in to "clean-up" once the ball carrier is wrapped up.

I would not say that the kid did anything wrong. I would be upset at my own for throwing a pick and then lolly-gagging around.

Enjoy your ice-dancing this winter.

No where do you say wrap up they guy and throw him over your head. Which is what the guy did. No reason for him to superplex him like that. He could have and should have made an easier tackle but he didn't.

 

[roberthunter]

Should probably point out that helmet-to-helmet only applies when the recipient is a defenseless player. By moving toward the ball carrier Murray was no longer defenseless. Had he simply stood still Dial's hit would have been illegal.

Helmet to helmet does not only apply to defenseless players. Where did you come up with that?

That being said, the only thing wrong with this hit was that it was helmet to helmet. Otherwise it is not a cheap shot. Laying vicious blocks on the qb during an int return is part of the game. Murray should have been looking to protect himself or jog to the other sideline.

 

[therealUT]

No where do you say wrap up they guy and throw him over your head. Which is what the guy did. No reason for him to superplex him like that. He could have and should have made an easier tackle but he didn't.

Right, he should have stopped, thought about his options, decided that he was not in a position to make a textbook tackle, and let the running back go.

Football players make unorthodox tackles in the heat of the moment all the time because the game is dynamic and not everything lines up like a tackling drill. A defensive player ought to do everything in his power to get the ball carrier on the ground. That is what happened.

 

[UofLFan]

Right, he should have stopped, thought about his options, decided that he was not in a position to make a textbook tackle, and let the running back go.

Football players make unorthodox tackles in the heat of the moment all the time because the game is dynamic and not everything lines up like a tackling drill. A defensive player ought to do everything in his power to get the ball carrier on the ground. That is what happened.

But he was in position to make a good tackle. He had the man wrapped up and he had control over him he could have simply taken him to the ground instead of throwing him.

 

[therealUT]

But he was in position to make a good tackle. He had the man wrapped up and he had control over him he could have simply taken him to the ground instead of throwing him.

He was behind him, with his arms wrapped around his waist. He could either throw all his momentum backwards, or ride the running back forward.

Again, the play is pretty quick. There is no way in hell the Bama player was thinking through his options. He was reacting to the situation he was in. It was rough, no doubt about it. Football is a rough sport.

 

[UofLFan]

Or he could have spun and thrown him to the ground. But I am done with this thread. No none is going to change their opinions on cheap shots so let's leave it be.

 

[UofLFan]

I know I said I was done with this thread but I have one more thing to point out. Watch the video the Bama play had full control over the runner. He had enough control over him to actually stop,plant his feet, and then throw him. He could have just as easily spun and thrown him to the ground with no problems.

 

[OrangeBalls]

I definitely do not think the "suplex" was bushleague. Wrap up the ball carrier and get the guy down; that play is no worse than having ten guys fly in to "clean-up" once the ball carrier is wrapped up.

I would not say that the kid did anything wrong. I would be upset at my own for throwing a pick and then lolly-gagging around.

Enjoy your ice-dancing this winter.

We will agree to disagree along with Pop Warner, Middle School football, High School football, NCAA, CFL and the NFL not to mention the Bama player, Fanning, and Saban who apologized to Mizzou for the tackle. Any ref that doesn't have his head up his ass throws a flag on that play just as they did there. It's a bushleague tackle and that is why it is illegal at every level of football. That's a rasslin' move not a football move.

However, you keep up the fight Undertaker. I'm sure there will be a rasslin' and football league one day that you can enjoy.

And I don't watch ice dancing, but I'm sure they probably have bigger balls than the internet badasses on here and even they would know that is a rasslin' move and not a football move.

 

[OrangeBalls]

Right, he should have stopped, thought about his options, decided that he was not in a position to make a textbook tackle, and let the running back go.

Football players make unorthodox tackles in the heat of the moment all the time because the game is dynamic and not everything lines up like a tackling drill. A defensive player ought to do everything in his power to get the ball carrier on the ground. That is what happened.

Yes, football players make suplex moves all the time in football! It's rassleball!

 

[UofLFan]

Yes, football players make suplex moves all the time in football! It's rassleball!

They just don't understand:no:

 

[therealUT]

I know I said I was done with this thread but I have one more thing to point out. Watch the video the Bama play had full control over the runner. He had enough control over him to actually stop,plant his feet, and then throw him. He could have just as easily spun and thrown him to the ground with no problems.

I certainly could be wrong, but from your answers, I get the impression that you have never played a down of defense in your life.

There are times when you end up not being able to make perfect and/or clean form tackles; times when you are left to improvise. Once I grabbed hold of any part of the ball carrier, I was doing all that I could to rip them down in any manner possible; if it so happened that in the course of the tackle, I accidentally grabbed facemask, I was not letting go until the player was down.

 

[OrangeBalls]

I certainly could be wrong, but from your answers, I get the impression that you have never played a down of defense in your life.

There are times when you end up not being able to make perfect and/or clean form tackles; times when you are left to improvise. Once I grabbed hold of any part of the ball carrier, I was doing all that I could to rip them down in any manner possible; if it so happened that in the course of the tackle, I accidentally grabbed facemask, I was not letting go until the player was down.

I played football and was never coached a suplex move in my life. In fact, I never saw a player make a suplex move. Trying to act like the guy had no control over a suplex is a joke. That's a copout. He had enough time to grab him, get his footing and suplex him. You don't do that in the heat of the moment. Which is why it was flagged and will be 100% of the time if the ref isn't clueless.

It's funny that you don't have an excuse as to why the Bama player apologized to Mizzou after the fact. If it was such a clean play then he wouldn't have had anything to apologize about. He pulls that in the NFL and he's out for a few games with a healthy fine.

 

[therealUT]

I played football and was never coached a suplex move in my life.

I was never coached to do plenty of what I did on the field.

It's funny that you don't have an excuse as to why the Bama player apologized to Mizzou after the fact. If it was such a clean play then he wouldn't have had anything to apologize about. He pulls that in the NFL and he's out for a few games with a healthy fine.

I do not have to offer an explanation of the apology. Individuals often apologize when they are not at fault and when they know they are not at fault. Apologies are often nothing more than socially expected (and empty) utterances (unless, when one apologizes for standing in front of the tomato paste section at the grocery store and another reaches in to grab a can, they actually feel as though they were at fault...I sure as hell do not feel as though I am at fault, but often apologies are uttered).

Feel free to continue to whine about this play and the Murray play. And, the next time a football player apologizes after injuring another player on a completely legal and uncontroversial hit, make sure you come away feeling that their actions were wrong.

 

[bleedorange0037]

I played football and was never coached a suplex move in my life. In fact, I never saw a player make a suplex move. Trying to act like the guy had no control over a suplex is a joke. That's a copout. He had enough time to grab him, get his footing and suplex him. You don't do that in the heat of the moment. Which is why it was flagged and will be 100% of the time if the ref isn't clueless.

It's funny that you don't have an excuse as to why the Bama player apologized to Mizzou after the fact. If it was such a clean play then he wouldn't have had anything to apologize about. He pulls that in the NFL and he's out for a few games with a healthy fine.

Because his coach made him. And I'd be willing to bet his coach made him because he was concerned about the flak he was going to take from the media and the ice dancing crowd such as yourself. 10 years ago not one person would have though anything of that hit aside from the fact that it would have made SC and multiple big hit highlight reels.

 

[bamawriter]

Helmet to helmet does not only apply to defenseless players. Where did you come up with that?

The NFL doesn't have a defenseless player rule. College still does.

 

[UGA insider]

Quote from an article up on ajc.com

Steve Shaw, the SEC’s coordinator of officials, has already reviewed the play and determined that Saturday’s referees “missed the call.”

“By rule, you can’t hit a defenseless player above the shoulders,” Shaw told The Birmingham News. “What the determination needs to be is was this a defenseless player and was contact initiated above the shoulders? When we go through video review of it, that’s what we’ll have to determine. And then you as you break it down, did he lead with the head or lead with the shoulder? From game action, it was a personal foul regardless of how we break it down frame by frame.”

 

[OrangeBalls]

I was never coached to do plenty of what I did on the field.



I do not have to offer an explanation of the apology. Individuals often apologize when they are not at fault and when they know they are not at fault. Apologies are often nothing more than socially expected (and empty) utterances (unless, when one apologizes for standing in front of the tomato paste section at the grocery store and another reaches in to grab a can, they actually feel as though they were at fault...I sure as hell do not feel as though I am at fault, but often apologies are uttered).

Feel free to continue to whine about this play and the Murray play. And, the next time a football player apologizes after injuring another player on a completely legal and uncontroversial hit, make sure you come away feeling that their actions were wrong.

I'm sure you never were coached to be a dirty player. You got that reputation all by yourself. You obviously didn't play very long because when most people get that rep then they will be targeted and injured for their bushleague play.

As usual you dance around why he apologized. Maybe it was because Saban knew it was a bushleague move. I don't think Saban teaches that. Saban is a good enough coach and has good enough players where he doesn't have to teach that or resort to that. He has a few out of control thugs that think they are in the WWE and it's rasslin' instead of football. And as in any football league with half a brain, that move will be flagged and penalized every single time.