Who's Your Heisman Winner?

#76
#76
Here is how I see it. Timmy won and has been there every year since because he is Tebow. Bradford won last year while Colt was a top 3 and lost. So to complete the trifecta and complete their lovefest for these 3 over the past several years than Colt will more than likely win it. But I agree that Gerhart and Suh should be the top considerations. Gerhart would be my top vote.
 
#77
#77
NationofVols said:
I fail to see how this is "bad news" for the Vols. Who gives a sh*t if Ingram wins the Heisman? It isn't like we don't already have catching up to do to reach Bama status.

Alabama never winning a Heisman is more ridiculous than Tennessee never having a player win one. So if he wins it, big deal.
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It would be big for recruiting----If you were to think about it. "Come to Bama, win the HT". Anything positive for our rival(s) isn't good. Why can't you people get that? :ermm:
 
#78
#78
This is not bad news. The Heisman is meaningless. It lost all credibility long ago.
 
#79
#79
JohnWardForever said:
Oh really. So you are prepared to listen to Tide fans gloat over the fact that they now have a HTW---and UT doesn't. You, evidently don't come into contact with very many Al. fans. They have no concept of "gracious winner". 'Course if you have never lived in bama, or outside the SOT, maybe you don't get it.
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Dude stop...Your making yourself sound stupid and uneducated...I listen to UF fans EVERYDAY down here...I used to listen to Alabama fans when I lived up there...SO WHAT?...They earned the right to talk this year if they want to...We haven't....So I guess you will need to either get some thick skin or move someplace where you won't have to listen to all that so called talk....Not that hard to figure out is it? :thumbsup:
 
#80
#80
as long as McCoy doesn't win it. he's far from the best player in cfb.
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#81
#81
Jeb said:
This is not bad news. The Heisman is meaningless. It lost all credibility long ago.
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Lost credibility with the Manning snub--regained some with Tebow win.

Not everyone agrees with the Manning vote being a fiasco, especially the 18 year olds now being recruited--they were 6 years old at the time--
Therefore it isn't meaningless. Bama will milk the hell out of it. Bama fans will do cart-wheels. No way this isn't bad for Vol fans. 'Course if you like bammer--------:)
 
#82
#82
I hate the whole Heisman process. It is said to go to the most outstanding player in college football, but half the time, that player isn't even at the awards ceremony.

Instead, it should be called the award for the "most important offensive player on the best team that is a traditional national power," because that's who wins it 90% of the time instead of the deserving candidates.

Mark Ingram doesn't deserve the award at all this year, and it's an outright joke if he gets it for these reasons:

1. Almost anyone that considers themselves a college football expert will tell you that Ndamukong Suh has been the best player in the nation this year.

2. Mark Ingram: 249Attempts/1542Yards/15TDs
Toby Gerhart: 311Attempts/1736Yards/26TDs

Ingram only has a slight edge in YPC, probably due to the lighter workload. Gerhart has dominated him in every statistic indicative of a workhorse running back. It's not even that close, and believe it or not, Gerhart has faced more top 50 rushing defenses than Ingram, so there isn't any quality of opponent argument to be made.

3. Colt McCoy has led his team to the promised land almost single handedly. Their leading rusher has 513 yards on the season. Colt is second with 348. He's putting up exceptional passing statistics despite this offensive imbalance. If you are going to be a lemming and give it to the "most important offensive player on the best team that is a traditional national power," Colt clearly deserves it.

4. People always say that the Heisman trophy is won and lost during the "big" games. True, Ingram did have a very good game against Florida, but the Alabama defense and quarterback play were the real stories in that game. Just a week before, however, Ingram was completely shut down against Auburn, Alabama's biggest rival. Heisman trophy winners don't show up to half of their teams big games, they show up to all of them.

Sorry that the post was a little long, but I REALLY DISLIKE the way the Heisman is selected based on what the award claims to be.
 
#84
#84
mtvols said:
I don't care who wins it as long as it is not Tebow.
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Exactly. As long as it isn't Tebow who clearly does not deserve it this year. His team won, but his numbers were down. I think Ingram will end up winning it. I would like Gerhart to win it, but I don't think the voters can overlook how Ingram did vs FL in the SECCG.
 
#87
#87
Not news of any kind in my opinion. Over politicized individual award that really means nothing to anyone but the sportswriters. Means less than nothing to most die hard college football fans.

The kid from Nebraska is the most dominating player in CFB and it is obvious. So if anyone but him wins it, then my point is made.
 
#89
#89
I guess all the Vol fans hated the Heisman trophy at the beginning of the year when the Eric Berry for Heisman campaign was going strong.

While the trophy is not what it is cracked up to be, Vol fans would be pulling for and happy if they had a player they have in the running for the trophy. Bama fans are no different. If Ingram doesn't win, he doesn't win. There are 2 other deserving players for the trophy (Suh and Gerhart). I'd be really happy for Ingram, but I think Ingram couldn't care less about the Heisman as long as we hoist the crystal ball in January.
 
#90
#90
BamaFan425 said:
I guess all the Vol fans hated the Heisman trophy at the beginning of the year when the Eric Berry for Heisman campaign was going strong.
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Yes. Everyone wants their best player to be in contention for the Heisman and to get that national recognition for their skills. That doesn't mean you actually have to believe in how the award is selected. Besides, I think most knew that Berry never had a legit shot to win it because of the offensive bias and the quality of the team behind it. We were on the bandwagon because it publicizes him as the best player in the nation, a conversation of which he should be apart.
 
#91
#91
Im 4 Suh, how bout you? Hahah. I just wanna see him win it so no pretty boys do. you get me? :rock: and BUCK FAMA!
 
#92
#92
Ben said:
Yes. Everyone wants their best player to be in contention for the Heisman and to get that national recognition for their skills. That doesn't mean you actually have to believe in how the award is selected. Besides, I think most knew that Berry never had a legit shot to win it because of the offensive bias and the quality of the team behind it. We were on the bandwagon because it publicizes him as the best player in the nation, a conversation of which he should be apart.
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I agree. If I had my way, I'd rather see Rolando McClain as our Heisman candidate as he is our best player and IMO the best defensive player in the nation, with a very close race with Berry and Suh. But like you said, there's an offensive bias due to the large emphasis put on stats, when defensive stats just don't look as impressive.

BTW, nice name.
 
#93
#93
Ingram or McCoy -both are playing for a National Title. Both have played close games on the road to an undefeated season. I lean towards McCoy!
 
#94
#94
BamaFan425 said:
I agree. If I had my way, I'd rather see Rolando McClain as our Heisman candidate as he is our best player and IMO the best defensive player in the nation, with a very close race with Berry and Suh. But like you said, there's an offensive bias due to the large emphasis put on stats, when defensive stats just don't look as impressive.

BTW, nice name.
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You hit it! Defensive players never get the recognition they should. The year Woodson won it was a joke. He won because he returned kicks. I'd like to see the voters choose a DB over maybe a ND or Ohio State corner. But we all know that they love the Big 10 and ND. I'm not saying this as a Tennessee fan but a football fan: Peyton Manning should have blown Woodson out by atleast 75-100 points. My truthful opinion is also that I hope Ingram wins or Suh. But I honestly think that Gerhart will win. But thats my opinion and good day to you, sir. :hi:
 
#95
#95
RockyTop411 said:
You hit it! Defensive players never get the recognition they should. The year Woodson won it was a joke. He won because he returned kicks. I'd like to see the voters choose a DB over maybe a ND or Ohio State corner. But we all know that they love the Big 10 and ND. I'm not saying this as a Tennessee fan but a football fan: Peyton Manning should have blown Woodson out by atleast 75-100 points. My truthful opinion is also that I hope Ingram wins or Suh. But I honestly think that Gerhart will win. But thats my opinion and good day to you, sir. :hi:
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Very good day to you as well my Vol counterpart. Peyton should have won, and it's a shame he didn't. The SEC always seems to be at a disadvantage due to most conferences having a grudge against the best conference. Hopefully Ingram can pull it out. Lots of projections are showing him and a lot are showing Gerhart. If Ingram doesn't win it, I'd like to see Suh take it.
 
#96
#96
Ben said:
I hate the whole Heisman process. It is said to go to the most outstanding player in college football, but half the time, that player isn't even at the awards ceremony.

Instead, it should be called the award for the "most important offensive player on the best team that is a traditional national power," because that's who wins it 90% of the time instead of the deserving candidates.

Mark Ingram doesn't deserve the award at all this year, and it's an outright joke if he gets it for these reasons:

1. Almost anyone that considers themselves a college football expert will tell you that Ndamukong Suh has been the best player in the nation this year.

2. Mark Ingram: 249Attempts/1542Yards/15TDs
Toby Gerhart: 311Attempts/1736Yards/26TDs

Ingram only has a slight edge in YPC, probably due to the lighter workload. Gerhart has dominated him in every statistic indicative of a workhorse running back. It's not even that close, and believe it or not, Gerhart has faced more top 50 rushing defenses than Ingram, so there isn't any quality of opponent argument to be made.

3. Colt McCoy has led his team to the promised land almost single handedly. Their leading rusher has 513 yards on the season. Colt is second with 348. He's putting up exceptional passing statistics despite this offensive imbalance. If you are going to be a lemming and give it to the "most important offensive player on the best team that is a traditional national power," Colt clearly deserves it.

4. People always say that the Heisman trophy is won and lost during the "big" games. True, Ingram did have a very good game against Florida, but the Alabama defense and quarterback play were the real stories in that game. Just a week before, however, Ingram was completely shut down against Auburn, Alabama's biggest rival. Heisman trophy winners don't show up to half of their teams big games, they show up to all of them.

Sorry that the post was a little long, but I REALLY DISLIKE the way the Heisman is selected based on what the award claims to be.
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Wasn't that one of the arguments for Charles Woodson?

I don't really care who wins it this year. It's a nice trophy, but Alabama can have the bragging rights, for all I care. Until we have a winning record against them, I'll just shut up and quietly await that day. Then we'll be as annoying as hell to them...
 
#98
#98
VolsByNature said:
Bama player wins Heisman and Bama beats Texas to win a NC. The greatest revenge is not to take success of others as a tragedy, but to succeed ourselves.
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There we go, some sense. Who basks in seeing others fail? What a pitiful way to have to feel good about ones self
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#99
#99
BamaFan425 said:
I agree. If I had my way, I'd rather see Rolando McClain as our Heisman candidate as he is our best player and IMO the best defensive player in the nation, with a very close race with Berry and Suh. But like you said, there's an offensive bias due to the large emphasis put on stats, when defensive stats just don't look as impressive.

BTW, nice name.
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I don't know about best defensive player in the country, but he's easily the best linebacker.
 
#100
#100
UNAVol89 said:
I don't know about best defensive player in the country, but he's easily the best linebacker.
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Agree to disagree. Its so hard to judge defensive players within the top 5 defensive players in the country. I give McClain the nod because (besides Im a Bama fan) is his field smarts. He is basically a coaching extension on the field. His smarts on the field separate him from lots of defensive players.

Berry, Suh, McClain. Between the three it is almost impossible to discern which is the best defensive player.
 
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