why according to Mccain and Obama are poor people more important than rich people?

#51
#51
The great irony of the politicians (and the populace that believes them) is that the very success that is demonized is the very thing that so many aspire to.

When BO or JM talk about helping the middle class - it is typically couched in terms of helping them become successful and grow wealth. Unfortunately, they will then become evil.
 
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droski said:
no that is what china is for. we don't need factory workers here in america. it's not cost efficient. and yes i am completely serious.
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:stop:
And you are completely wrong. Next time you start a thread, you might want to have some sort of clue as to what you are talking about. On this subject you don't. Plain and simple
 
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truefan said:
:stop:
And you are completely wrong. Next time you start a thread, you might want to have some sort of clue as to what you are talking about. On this subject you don't. Plain and simple
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right. we also need horse and buggy factories to maintain dominance economically in this world.
 
#54
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droski said:
i didn't say the factory worker was useless just not as important as the person making 10 times his income and sure as hell not MORE important.
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I think you have something to stand on from the factory worker standpoint (labor and cost efficiencies offshored to keep US companies competitive) -- but it sounds as though you are explicitly stating that lower income jobs are not as important as higher income jobs. Is that what you are implying?
 
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volinbham said:
The great irony of the politicians (and the populace that believes them) is that the very success that is demonized is the very thing that so many aspire to.

When BO or JM talk about helping the middle class - it is typically couched in terms of helping them become successful and grow wealth. Unfortunately, they will then become evil.
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Looks like someone listened to Rush yesterday.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I think you have something to stand on from the factory worker standpoint (labor and cost efficiencies offshored to keep US companies competitive) -- but it sounds as though you are explicitly stating that lower income jobs are not as important as higher income jobs. Is that what you are implying?
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he is clearly stating that they are not as important to the economy from a financial standpoint.
 
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JZVOL said:
I don't think he's implying anything. It's common sense.
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That's naive and wrong. In just one example, most research based PhD's make average incomes at best. Take a look at the number of government pay scale PhD's doing cancer research and other important jobs. There is no private market for this. I can also guarantee many of them are smarter than you.

I'd also argue that when wealth is built on fraud then you really can't argue importance either.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
he is clearly stating that they are not as important to the economy from a financial standpoint.
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I still think that's a gray area, but harder to prove on the numbers side.

However, droski explicity stated items like "being smarter" etc -- which have nothing to do with wealth or importance.
 
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VolByBirth said:
That's naive and wrong. In just one example, most research based PhD's make average incomes at best. Take a look at the number of government pay scale PhD's doing cancer research and other important jobs. There is no private market for this. I can also guarantee many of them are smarter than you.

I'd also argue that when wealth is built on fraud then you really can't argue importance either.
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Smart and good capitalist are not necessarily related.

Surely you've heard the adage "those who can, do; those who can't teach." Same holds true for the research arena (apologies to VBH).
 
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VolByBirth said:
That's naive and wrong. In just one example, most research based PhD's make average incomes at best. Take a look at the number of government pay scale PhD's doing cancer research and other important jobs. There is no private market for this. I can also guarantee many of them are smarter than you.

I'd also argue that when wealth is built on fraud then you really can't argue importance either.
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There are plenty of people I wouldn't consider smart who make a lot of money.

My father never went to college but he owns two companies.

Also now you are starting to talk about gov't jobs versus the private sector which are two totally different things (unless Obama has his way).
 
#62
#62
It's easy really... who was more valuable, Henry Ford or the assembly line workers?

Those workers only had jobs because of Ford, not the other way around. Those workers can be easily replaced, Ford not so much.
 
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JZVOL said:
It's easy really... who was more valuable, Henry Ford or the assembly line workers?

Those workers only had jobs because of Ford, not the other way around. Those workers can be easily replaced, Ford not so much.
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Looking at individual cases, yes you can say that. Looking at their collective classes, it's not so easy.
 
#65
#65
I have never been employed by a poor person or by a person who receives the earned income tax credit.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
people find it hard to believe that you can be conservative and come to your own conclusions without one of the talking heads.
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It works both ways, it is because the majority of liberals and the majority of conservatives can't come to their own conclusions. This board is a prime example.
 
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emainvol said:
Looking at individual cases, yes you can say that. Looking at their collective classes, it's not so easy.
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A smaller example. My father is far more important to the economy and financial success of the country than the 100 or so people he employs.

A working class is very important but when you start trying to bring down the higher classes to "even" things out it creates giant problems.
 
#72
#72
BHO's tax plan answers the debate. Who does he say we have to have "step up" to get the country "back on track".
 
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VolByBirth said:
That's naive and wrong. In just one example, most research based PhD's make average incomes at best. Take a look at the number of government pay scale PhD's doing cancer research and other important jobs. There is no private market for this. I can also guarantee many of them are smarter than you.
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These folks get above average pay without a doubt or at least above median pay.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, annual salaries for these professions in the 70-90k range. That alone puts them well above the median household income.
 
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