Why are we losing so many receivers?!?!

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#178
ThreatLevelOrange said:
Interesting Webb is same guy that coached Hyatt and Tillman. I don’t think it’s the position coach as much as it’s the system. Other teams have adjusted and our sustem runs very basic routes with the WR spread out very wide. Putting 3 safeties with CB taking away the inside routes, and very few pre-snap shifts and motion, and it’s hard to get separation. Then the faking injuries have taken away the hurry up. Defenses give us the run, which is why we had Wright and Sampson putting up great numbers.
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He coached Hyatt and Tillman in their final year in the system. The first two years it was Kodi Burns. The route tree changed drastically after Golesh left and Pope's only prolific passing season was Tennessee in 2022. Literally other year in his career as a position coach teams have been averaging under 250 ypg and his receivers have been under 500 yds receiving. My theory is that he got a lot of help from Golesh in 2022 which masked his deficiencies as a position coach.
 
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rocketskates said:
I really like Concepcion and honestly I wouldn’t mind Heupel telling MM to stick it and getting KC and maybe Burke from Florida just to teach some of the kids a lesson with playing these games. I’m not sure he has the same potential as MM, but thus far in Heupel I trust.
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Conception is going to aTm
 
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VawlIn said:
Did you watch our offense the last 2 years? Why would any receiver want to play here
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I agree with that. Prior to the last 2 years at least we did try and throw downfield much more. The last two years very little down field passing, very very few across the middle of the field, mostly screens and short passes now.
 
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orangerush said:
Perhaps, but what does that say about the ability of our coaches to evaluate players.
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Ok, this is Hype's 4 yr. right? So what star players do we have on the roster, really stand out players that Hype recruited? Boo Carter is going to be good, who else, jury still out on Nico. I am somewhat concerned about coaches ability to recognize good talent. We have the Milton, Hooker deal. Hooker was already here and recruited over to get Milton. We have a 5 star receiver riding the pine this year. I don't know what Matthews can do, have not seen enough of him. I am still very supportive of Hype, would not trade him for any available coach. I am just concerned.
 
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#184
Chemistry won't get any better under Nico's tenure. You guys are grasping at straws blaming everything under the sun, when it's so blatant, his receivers don't care for him
 
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VOLywood said:
90% of your WRs bailing is all the evidence you need. Either there is no confidence in Iamaleava or he's disliked.
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They don't want to believe it! My guess is he's disliked and they don't want to play with him. Lack of chemistry destroys a team quicker than anything. If this is true, the coaches need to address it and move on before we're relegated to years like this for the rest of his tenure. Those boosters providing those millions will howl though!
 
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IMHO, part of it is Heupel's offense. The two wideouts are only running three and sometimes four-routes. That makes them somewhat predictable and severely limits their production numbers. Only one guy, Cedric Tillman, has had a 1000-yard season, not counting Jalin Hyatt, since he was in the slot. Tillman was exceptional in catching 50/50 balls. Sending the Z straight down the field to the endzone with a DB in his face and boxing him using the sideline is a low-percentage play for most receivers. Not him. Not using the entire route tree in the offense is not a good strategy, IMHO, and I think this is PART of the reason so many receivers are leaving. If I were a receiver, this would give me pause.
 
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This maybe the reason some of our WR either could not get on the field or are leaving. This describes how intelligent our receivers must be, having to read different players and set up different concepts. If our guys could not do this, coupled with Nico being slower, then the offense would stall.
 
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tone357 said:
IMHO, part of it is Heupel's offense. The two wideouts are only running three and sometimes four-routes. That makes them somewhat predictable and severely limits their production numbers. Only one guy, Cedric Tillman, has had a 1000-yard season, not counting Jalin Hyatt, since he was in the slot. Tillman was exceptional in catching 50/50 balls. Sending the Z straight down the field to the endzone with a DB in his face and boxing him using the sideline is a low-percentage play for most receivers. Not him. Not using the entire route tree in the offense is not a good strategy, IMHO, and I think this is PART of the reason so many receivers are leaving. If I were a receiver, this would give me pause.
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Yep and the pass 2 years have been bland passing wise. No advanced passing concepts, Motion to create missmatches. Not even a slant route lol.


Just WR screen, Go Post Hitch/Curl and dig. No Crossers or Slants, hell anything different to get people open.

Add on with a QB that cant make reads why would any reciever want to play in this offense right now?
 
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