Why Barnes!?!?!

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cncchris33 said:
But wait...i thought it was obvious he can't cut it at this level and he isn't worthy of a scholarship at an SEC school?
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He’s not. He’s not worthy of the scholarship that he was given. And if you don’t see that then you don’t know anything about Basketball. The point this other guy was making is that we don’t have any other options because Barnes is a complete failure recently with post players.
 
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whobethis16 said:
We've outrebounded 8 of 12 opponents. And still won 3 of the 4 games that we didn't. Has it been as good as in the past? No, but it's not as bad at this point as some will have you believe.
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You do realize there’s more to playing in the post besides just rebounding, right?
 
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BalledUPfists said:
He’s not. He’s not worthy of the scholarship that he was given. And if you don’t see that then you don’t know anything about Basketball. The point this other guy was making is that we don’t have any other options because Barnes is a complete failure recently with post players.
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Oh please, not that...gasp. Negative Nancy has questioned my basketball knowledge...😥 The same guy who has such a life away from this forum that he can only cut away from his busy social circles on the rare occasion we lose to bitch and moan, yet somehow has managed to carve out 3 days dedicated to arguing himself in circles about the same subject.

Aside from that, there are plenty of other options to playing him, or at least lessening his minutes. More minutes for Pons and Fulk, slide JJJ down to the 4 to absorb some of EJA's minutes, more 4 guard lineups. But who am I talk...I clearly don't know anything about basketball.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
He took Plavy, and then also olivier and Pember as projects. Again, it’s just patchwork. Do you think he’s taking the same approach with the other positions on the court? Before you answer, there is a right and wrong answer.
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So what's your point? If it is that Barnes has struggled to land elite post players, do you see anyone arguing otherwise? You wouldn't be so irritating to try and carry on an intelligent discussion with if it wasn't for the constant bait and switch and moving the goalposts. No one believes that Barnes is killing it on the recruiting front with respect to our frontcourt roster.
 
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cncchris33 said:
So what's your point? If it is that Barnes has struggled to land elite post players, do you see anyone arguing otherwise? You wouldn't be so irritating to try and carry on an intelligent discussion with if it wasn't for the constant bait and switch and moving the goalposts. No one believes that Barnes is killing it on the recruiting front with respect to our frontcourt roster.
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I literally only said that Anosike was not a D1 caliber SEC type scholarship player. You can take that and twist it and turn it however you want. It looks like you’re in the tiny minority that thinks he deserves the scholarship that he has based on the way he’s playing. Like you said, there are plenty of other options out there besides continuing to stick him out there and watch him fail game after game.

I never claimed to have some awesome social life, only that I have a wife, a job, and a child. The only reason I keep responding is that you’re missing the entire point of all of this. Barnes has not recruited well in the post position, it’s a pattern, it’s concerning, and I’m calling it out in a public forum. Anosike is the latest example of my overall point.
 
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EJA absolutely deserves a scholarship. He averages 3 rebounds in 11 minutes per game. He has 4 turnovers in 139 minutes. He’s missed a couple of easy baskets. That’s hardly a reason to take away a scholarship.

He did not have the benefit of preparing in the off season without an effing pandemic shutting down the campus and disrupting preparations for the basketball season.

He gets an entire season next year without costing TN a scholarship. He didn’t take a scholarship away from anybody and in fact agreed to come to TN after CRB’s top recruits at post did not materialize.
 
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cncchris33 said:
So what's your point? If it is that Barnes has struggled to land elite post players, do you see anyone arguing otherwise? You wouldn't be so irritating to try and carry on an intelligent discussion with if it wasn't for the constant bait and switch and moving the goalposts. No one believes that Barnes is killing it on the recruiting front with respect to our frontcourt roster.
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I think it’s best if we all stop feeding the troll. I figured he was just drunk and upset that night, but this is quite the bender. We should give him some space to sober up.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
I literally only said that Anosike was not a D1 caliber SEC type scholarship player. You can take that and twist it and turn it however you want. It looks like you’re in the tiny minority that thinks he deserves the scholarship that he has based on the way he’s playing. Like you said, there are plenty of other options out there besides continuing to stick him out there and watch him fail game after game.

I never claimed to have some awesome social life, only that I have a wife, a job, and a child. The only reason I keep responding is that you’re missing the entire point of all of this. Barnes has not recruited well in the post position, it’s a pattern, it’s concerning, and I’m calling it out in a public forum. Anosike is the latest example of my overall point.
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At first, you claimed that EJA isn't worth a scholarship.
Then, you claimed that Barnes has a history of patchworking his frontcourt with grad transfers.
Later, you claimed that Barnes can't recruit post players.

I don't have to twist and turn anything. You're doing a fine job, there, on your own.
You made two of those very claims in the above post where you again tried to simplify your position. I bolded them for you. You've been all over the place. Moving the goalposts. Then each time coming back to the original claim like we're all missing the point. We just don't know what the point is.

To the claim that EJA isn't worthy of a scholarship, I disagree. And I am starting to think you don't know how a minority works, at least in the confines of this forum.

To the claim that Barnes is utilizing a whokesale patchwork system of grad transfers to fill post needs, I again, disagree. EJA is the 2nd grad transfer post player Barnes has signed at Tennessee, IIRC. That hardly constitutes a pattern.

To the claim that Barnes has not had much success recruiting elite talent at the post position, no one here disagrees. No need to continually state it. No one is arguing otherwise.
 
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cncchris33 said:
At first, you claimed that EJA isn't worth a scholarship.
Then, you claimed that Barnes has a history of patchworking his frontcourt with grad transfers.
Later, you claimed that Barnes can't recruit post players.

I don't have to twist and turn anything. You're doing a fine job, there, on your own.
You made two of those very claims in the above post where you again tried to simplify your position. I bolded them for you. You've been all over the place. Moving the goalposts. Then each time coming back to the original claim like we're all missing the point. We just don't know what the point is.

To the claim that EJA isn't worthy of a scholarship, I disagree. And I am starting to think you don't know how a minority works, at least in the confines of this forum.

To the claim that Barnes is utilizing a whokesale patchwork system of grad transfers to fill post needs, I again, disagree. EJA is the 2nd grad transfer post player Barnes has signed at Tennessee, IIRC. That hardly constitutes a pattern.

To the claim that Barnes has not had much success recruiting elite talent at the post position, no one here disagrees. No need to continually state it. No one is arguing otherwise.
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Through a conversation, additional statements are made. That’s just part of it. Anosike doesn’t deserve a scholarship. You absolutely CANNOT rationally argue that. He was given a scholarship by Barnes, who HAS established a pattern of patchwork post recruitment that IS concerning to me, and the MAJORITY of fans.

You see, I utilize something called a brain and I am able to recognize these things because my brain processes what my eyes see. It’s a nifty little system. You should try it sometime.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
None of which were grad transfers lol
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It’s the same strategic mindset though. I forgot Plavy hadn’t graduated. Maybe because he looks 46. I stated that ON and Pember were projects, not grads.

My point is that why this strategy with post players when we take the opposite approach with guards. Do you need a refresher on all the post players that Barnes has given scholarship to?
 
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Why does this dude keep saying "D1 player" as if he doesn't understand what D1 is and EJ's history in it?

Fisty, like I have to tell Bruin every once in a while, just take the L and move on. It happens to the best of us. Not to say that you're in that ballpark.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
You see, I utilize something called a brain and I am able to recognize these things because my brain processes what my eyes see. It’s a nifty little system. You should try it sometime.
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Extremely debatable.

It's an exercise in futility to try and have a rational discussion with an irrational person, so this will be my last response. Take care and enjoy being miserable. Looking forward to your future terrible takes. 🙄
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Why does this dude keep saying "D1 player" as if he doesn't understand what D1 is and EJ's history in it?

Fisty, like I have to tell Bruin every once in a while, just take the L and move on. It happens to the best of us. Not to say that you're in that ballpark.
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With all due respect, Please remind us of the time you took your L and moved on.
 
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walkenvol said:
With all due respect, Please remind us of the time you took your L and moved on.
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Mixing me up with BTO? We have very similar avis.

I'd say, if anything, I'm self deprecating the face of an L. I usually say something like "Never mind, I clearly don't know what I'm talking about" in all sincerity.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Mixing me up with BTO? We have very similar avis.

I'd say, if anything, I'm self deprecating the face of an L. I usually say something like "Never mind, I clearly don't know what I'm talking about" in all sincerity.
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Sorry, yes I did confuse the avis
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Why does this dude keep saying "D1 player" as if he doesn't understand what D1 is and EJ's history in it?

Fisty, like I have to tell Bruin every once in a while, just take the L and move on. It happens to the best of us. Not to say that you're in that ballpark.
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When have I said D1 player without following it up with SEC. You do realize there’s a difference in a division one player versus a division one SEC caliber player, right? I would not think I would have to clarify that since I typed that every single time that I posted about it.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Extremely debatable.

It's an exercise in futility to try and have a rational discussion with an irrational person, so this will be my last response. Take care and enjoy being miserable. Looking forward to your future terrible takes. 🙄
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Look man, I’m just frustrated because all I was trying to establish is some rational conversation. Trust me, during this political season I know all about trying to have rational conversations with irrational people. The fact that you don’t think that I can listen and think rationally is extremely disappointing.
I went back and looked at all of the post players that Barnes had brought in over the last eight years and it looks like the only two players that panned out at all with Grant Williams and Kyle Alexander. There are literally 12 other examples of post players who have not panned out. I’m not gonna insult your intelligence by making you look at a list of all of those. I think that we all can agree that there is an issue, and a pattern, with Barnes post player recruiting. I think we all had high expectations for what we had coming back, paired with our incoming guards. It just seems like Anosike is the odd man out compared everyone else that was brought in. As you know, a true dominant post player can make a huge difference and it seems like that’s the only piece this team is lacking.
Watching him play is very frustrating because he does not do anything great. He barely does one thing good. He just really stands out on this team, not in a good way.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
When have I said D1 player without following it up with SEC. You do realize there’s a difference in a division one player versus a division one SEC caliber player, right? I would not think I would have to clarify that since I typed that every single time that I posted about it.
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Lmao!! No sane and literate college basketball fans, analysts, commentators, players, or coaches specify D1 when they're referring to the SEC, let alone any P5 conference. Why in the world would anyone with basic NCAA knowledge be confused on that point?

The fact that you repeatedly specified combined with your absence evidence to back your claim while being slapped in the face with stats and facts from others over the course of 3+ days definitely kills any semblance of credibility. Take the L, move on, learn something new, GBO. Please and thank you.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Lmao!! No sane and literate college basketball fans, analysts, commentators, players, or coaches specify D1 when they're referring to the SEC, let alone any P5 conference. Why in the world would anyone with basic NCAA knowledge be confused on that point?

The fact that you repeatedly specified combined with your absence evidence to back your claim while being slapped in the face with stats and facts from others over the course of 3+ days definitely kills any semblance of credibility. Take the L, move on, learn something new, GBO. Please and thank you.
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Are you trying to tell me that you don’t have the ability to admit there’s a huge difference in a D1 player and a D1 SEC player? With over 300 division one basketball teams I felt like it was necessary that I specify SEC in addition when stating that Anosike is not worthy of a scholarship. He IS worthy of a D1 scholarship, but not in the SEC. I see that it is redundant but that is your issue? Redundancy? How about bringing something to the conversation the adds or contradicts the point of the thread?!
 
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BalledUPfists said:
Are you trying to tell me that you don’t have the ability to admit there’s a huge difference in a D1 player and a D1 SEC player? With over 300 division one basketball teams I felt like it was necessary that I specify SEC in addition when stating that Anosike is not worthy of a scholarship. He IS worthy of a D1 scholarship, but not in the SEC. I see that it is redundant but that is your issue? Redundancy? How about bringing something to the conversation the adds or contradicts the point of the thread?!
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The redundancy is just a small part of your nonsensical body of work. It further reinforces the idea that your opinion is built on an unstable and incomplete foundation.

I would jump in the argument, but the point you're trying to counter has been stated and backed up with stats and facts many times. I'm going to avoid that redundancy as well. You just seem to dismiss and/or ignore these much stronger arguments, and you haven't reinforced your own. There's not anything to argue at this point. You are in the corner by yourself in saying he's not an SEC player. If you want to back up your claim with any kind of evidence, I'll play.

Ftr, I agree that he has been overall disappointing. That doesn't change any of the facts that the others have dropped on you.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
The redundancy is just a small part of your nonsensical body of work. It further reinforces the idea that your opinion is built on an unstable and incomplete foundation.

I would jump in the argument, but the point you're trying to counter has been stated and backed up with stats and facts many times. I'm going to avoid that redundancy as well. You just seem to dismiss and/or ignore these much stronger arguments, and you haven't reinforced your own. There's not anything to argue at this point. You are in the corner by yourself in saying he's not an SEC player. If you want to back up your claim with any kind of evidence, I'll play.

Ftr, I agree that he has been overall disappointing. That doesn't change any of the facts that the others have dropped on you.
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What facts? That he got a few rebounds a game? He LIVES in the paint because he LITERALLY can’t do anything else. What facts support him deserving an SEC scholarship!?!?! My argument is supported by his minutes per game man.
 
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BalledUPfists said:
What facts? That he got a few rebounds a game? He LIVES in the paint because he LITERALLY can’t do anything else. What facts support him deserving an SEC scholarship!?!?! My argument is supported by his minutes per game man.
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No, you repeatedly claimed he didn't deserve the minutes (which are minimal, so I don't get that argument) because he's not rebounding like he was so highly claimed for (which based on his minutes played is better than Fulkerson, as multiple people claimed with data).

Now were people, myself included, hoping he would've been making an even bigger contribution? Absolutely. But you're acting like he's given all these minutes when he's averaging fewer than 10.
 
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