Why Doesnt Tennessee Cheat?

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my football coaches when i was younger always told me if your not cheating to win your not trying hard enough lol
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Hugh Freeze's recruiting class approves of this thread.
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All about the Benjamins baby

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Cant think of many who were successful that did it without some sort of issue.

Even john wooden. Although, people want to pretend sam gilbert didn't exist.

Does this mean we can have our 1984, 1985, and 1990 sec titles after all?
 
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VFLPastor said:
"Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight." Proverbs 12:22
"There are few things that can never be regained. Honor is one of them." - Anonymous
"I would prefer even to fail with honor than win by cheating." - Sophocles
"Winners never cheat, cheaters never win." - Mom
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"I choked Linda Lovelace." - Joe Dirt
 
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If CBJ wants to recruit memphis he better learn the albert means way.... Its not the kids in memphis that get paid, but their high school coaches....
 
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VFLPastor said:
"Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly are his delight." Proverbs 12:22
"There are few things that can never be regained. Honor is one of them." - Anonymous
"I would prefer even to fail with honor than win by cheating." - Sophocles
"Winners never cheat, cheaters never win." - Mom
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These rules do not apply in the church of Cecil Newton!
 
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99gator said:
Cant think of many who were successful that did it without some sort of issue.

Even john wooden. Although, people want to pretend sam gilbert didn't exist.

Does this mean we can have our 1984, 1985, and 1990 sec titles after all?
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Only thing i remember about UF in the late 80s is Memphis St beating the #14 Gators at home with E.Smith in '88. As for 1990, UT 45, Gators 3. The good old days when all was right in the universe. Jk
 
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This has to be the stupidest da** thread ever started on the only Nation, (Volnation)!
Sorry just my 2 cents worth! Just ask Bruce or DA Kiffen how cheating results!
 
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rexvol said:
Honestly. No one seems to care these days and I cant see that the NCAA enforces anything. Everyone on the planet knows Cam Newton was paid and no repercussions. Miami? One of the dirtiest programs in the history of college football and Im just talking about recent history, no penalties. USCjr, gives players free rent....NCAA does nothing. Bama implicated in PEDs, nothing will happen. It just seem like we all we need is a middle man such as a church or a lawyer and we're home free (its pretty well known that for years ED O has funneled money to players through a local lawyer so its protected by privilege).

Now it seems like the Wild West and everyone has a Colt 45 except for us. Freeze at Ole Miss is just the latest. How he could ever get a 5 star black kid to play under the Stars and Bars is a mystery unless $$$ is involved.

Are we just not committed enough? Is it that we dont care enough about winning anymore? I miss Pearl, at least he wanted to win enough to have some illegal steaks. His only mistake was taking a pic imo.

bring back Trooper/Garner/Anyone willing and smart enough to not get caught.

Obviously Im joking to an extent, but seriously......
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Who says we don't? After seeing the last 3 coaching searches, we know our boosters and our AD are horrible at getting value for their money anyway.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Or maybe you can ask Cam Newton or John Calipari.
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Who did Cal buy? I know he turned a blind eye to Rose's miraculous SAT turn around. Dont remember him paying camby. What else? I ask bc the cal thing comes off sounding more like jealousy than anything. Maybe you can give me some specifics but i dont get why vn uses cal as the poster boy for cheating. Cam Newton is easy. OJ Mayo is easy. Albert Means is easy. Reggie Bush is easy. That cal stuff is ticky tack just like BP. JMHO
 
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There is a world of difference between a clearly orchestrated plan to circumvent NCAA rules, one implemented by the coaching staff, and the inevitable secondary violations which occur when overzealous boosters become involved in the recruitment process. The first can, and justifiably will, get you hammered by the NCAA if they can prove the alleged violations. However, the first type of infraction is controllable, the second ultimately is not. Having said that, the NCAA is horribly capricious in punishing violators.

The 1986 penalties levied against TCU are a classic example of the fact that the NCAA does not really give universities incentive to run a clean program. Then-coach Jim Wacker immediately informed NCAA officials of illegal benefits received by players during the tenure of his predecessor and immediately dismissed the guilty players from the team, including All-American tailback Kenneth Davis. Despite Coach Wacker's exemplary conduct throughout the proceedings, the NCAA absolutely hammered TCU. See TCU Is Placed on 3-Year Probation, Angering Wacker - Los Angeles Times .

The moral of the story? (A) The NCAA still needs to dramatically simplify its rulebook when it comes to what constitues an illegal benefit and actually use common sense in establishing new guidelines. (B) The NCAA badly needs to distinguish between infractions for which there is incontrovertible evidence of deliberate institutional involvement (e.g. the Charlie Pell scandal at Florida during the mid 1980's. See Charley Pell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) and ones in which infractions are perpetrated independently by boosters and players. (C) Above all, eliminate the "sacred cow" treatment in which some programs, because of their historical success, receive much lighter sentences for comparable infractions to those perpetrated by lesser programs.
 
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PMC2726 said:
Who did Cal buy? I know he turned a blind eye to Rose's miraculous SAT turn around. Dont remember him paying camby. What else? I ask bc the cal thing comes off sounding more like jealousy than anything. Maybe you can give me some specifics but i dont get why vn uses cal as the poster boy for cheating. Cam Newton is easy. OJ Mayo is easy. Albert Means is easy. Reggie Bush is easy. That cal stuff is ticky tack just like BP. JMHO
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The guy has a vacated Final Four at both of his college stops prior to landing at UK. Considering that and all the one and dones he recruits, you've got your head buried in the sand if you think he's completely on the up and up.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
The guy has a vacated Final Four at both of his college stops prior to landing at UK. Considering that and all the one and dones he recruits, you've got your head buried in the sand if you think he's completely on the up and up.
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And in both cases there was an express finding of no wrong doing on Cal's part. Did Umass and Memphis have soooooo much sway with the ncaa that they let cal slide? I'm not trying to defend him but i believe the people (ncaa) that had access to the investigation info instead of people who spit out conspiracy theories and pure speculation, which is all you have to offer. That's why i asked for specifics. And since when did one and done's equal cheating?? Is it cal's fault the way the rules are set up? That's just dumb.
 
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PMC2726 said:
And in both cases there was an express finding of no wrong doing on Cal's part. Did Umass and Memphis have soooooo much sway with the ncaa that they let cal slide? I'm not trying to defend him but i believe the people (ncaa) that had access to the investigation info instead of people who spit out conspiracy theories and pure speculation, which is all you have to offer. That's why i asked for specifics. And since when did one and done's equal cheating?? Is it cal's fault the way the rules are set up? That's just dumb.
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I'll concede that there's a remote possibility that he's been clean all through the years. Will you at least entertain the possibility that he might just be a REALLY good cheater?
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
The guy has a vacated Final Four at both of his college stops prior to landing at UK. Considering that and all the one and dones he recruits, you've got your head buried in the sand if you think he's completely on the up and up.
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And for the record, i dont think you can be successful as a major college coach and be TOTALLY on the up and up. To keep your job, you look for for that edge. I freely admit cal is just as guilty as any....but the poster boy for cheatingnot so much. imo.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
I'll concede that there's a remote possibility that he's been clean all through the years. Will you at least entertain the possibility that he might just be a REALLY good cheater?
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Yes, i'll concede that! No doubt cal is smarter than bp, tressel, etc.
 
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Enjoyed the back and forth bloodorange....gotta run, little lady says vn got enough of my Friday night. :)
 
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I do believe it is true that most programs are cheating in one form or another, some more than others. It is also true that I expect the UT coaches to do what they have to do to stay in the game in a brutal SEC. But it is something that should go on behind closed doors, on the down low. It is dirty, not something you should brag about or be proud of. Openly discussing it just feels wrong to me. Let the coaches do their work and keep a blind eye and a closed mouth.
 
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