Why exactly didn't Dooley work out?

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Oskie Volum said:
I agree here. It's amazing how everyone seems to blame that hire totally on Dooley, and it's very possible that Hart pushed it on him. People around here would never accept the fact that they hurt recruiting as its just a message board. Smh

He couldn't keep coordinators yet Chaney stayed and so did hinshaw. So obviously he could keep some. Amazes me how people think that every hire is a good fit too. Takes time to build that rapport, and then they still leave.

Imo the move to 3-4 was what he thought was best for the long run of the program. The guy knows what it takes to build a team, unlike others may think they know better, and took a chance. It flopped because he bet on the high scoring O to make up for the growing pains of on the D side. The O, mainly Bray, failed the team when it was put on his shoulders. Frankly cause he is a pompous azzz.

Finally the stupid azzz Grudenites. That was something that so many will not accept the fact that this negatively engulfed the program. Where people didn't see any positives. What should we expect from the Legion of the Miserable??

Going back to ur it's on Hart comments. I totally agree, and knew the guy was done when Hart wouldn't come out and defend his current coach. People are surprised and pissed at Dooley for quitting on the recruiting trail when his boss won't defend him. Not surprised. Heck Haden comes out defends Kiffin and all know he wants him gone. But he knows he needs to keep things in check before it hurts the program. Hart is on the clock now imo.
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A lot of truth in this post. Sunseri was forced on Dooley after Wilcox left. There was negative coming from every angle the whole time he was here. Was he a good HC? Probably not, but it's likely he forgot more about the game than 98% of this board combined.
 
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volberry said:
He seemed to be respected until he came to ut. Was it a bad match? Did he not have the support? Or did he just plain suck a@#?
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Did you actually watch Tennessee football AT ALL during the Dooley years?....Please, Answer your own question of why Dooley didn't work out...I'll hang up and listen..."This should be good" :popcorn:
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I agree here. It's amazing how everyone seems to blame that hire totally on Dooley, and it's very possible that Hart pushed it on him. People around here would never accept the fact that they hurt recruiting as its just a message board. Smh

He couldn't keep coordinators yet Chaney stayed and so did hinshaw. So obviously he could keep some. Amazes me how people think that every hire is a good fit too. Takes time to build that rapport, and then they still leave.

Imo the move to 3-4 was what he thought was best for the long run of the program. The guy knows what it takes to build a team, unlike others may think they know better, and took a chance. It flopped because he bet on the high scoring O to make up for the growing pains of on the D side. The O, mainly Bray, failed the team when it was put on his shoulders. Frankly cause he is a pompous azzz.

Finally the stupid azzz Grudenites. That was something that so many will not accept the fact that this negatively engulfed the program. Where people didn't see any positives. What should we expect from the Legion of the Miserable??

Going back to ur it's on Hart comments. I totally agree, and knew the guy was done when Hart wouldn't come out and defend his current coach. People are surprised and pissed at Dooley for quitting on the recruiting trail when his boss won't defend him. Not surprised. Heck Haden comes out defends Kiffin and all know he wants him gone. But he knows he needs to keep things in check before it hurts the program. Hart is on the clock now imo.
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Deaf, dumb and blind Hart did not hire The fool Dooley, Hamilton did. No credibility.
 
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#110
I think there was an alternate reason for dooleys hire. We were about to be up sh** creek with kiffen and the ncaa. Instead of taking a big lick we hire an attorney for a coach. After his purpose was served and the ncaa was satisfied it was time to move on, and here we are. I like some of dooleys babys like the VFL program. But he definitely was not what we needed. If this conspiracy were true which it is not. I just brought up the subject for discussion. It would have been better to face the gallows than what we have been through the last couple years.
 
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volberry said:
He seemed to be respected until he came to ut. Was it a bad match? Did he not have the support? Or did he just plain suck a@#?
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He walked into a terrible situation that even a much better coach would have struggled to make work.

He was not a great "coach" as in having the ability to directly take over a position or unit and make it great. He needed to be.

He lost the trust of his team... and then he lost hope himself. If reports are to be believed, he wanted out after UK. It is clear that he quit really doing the job no later than mid-season last season. I think he was resigned to his fate long before Hart was ready to fire him.


Basically, he took over a really bad situation and was completely overwhelmed and broken by it. In an ideal situation, he's probably not a great coach. In a bad situation, he was a complete and utter failure.
 
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The move to the 3-4 and the hiring of Sunseri was a big factor. But the things that brought Dooley down would have done so sooner or later anyway. He was not recruiting the right kind and numbers of players.... you'll see some of that in the upper classmen for the next two years.

Sunseri regardless of who made the final call was easily the worst hire I can remember any major program making. When a guy takes over a D that returns almost everyone from the two deep and manages to almost double the ppg allowed... it doesn't get much worse.
 
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bay224 said:
Dooley didn't work out for the same reason Butch Jones won't work out.
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Nope. I am still waiting to see tangible reasons to put hope in Jones but he takes over a better situation, has a better track record, and is a completely different type of coach and leader.

He has strategically allied himself with boosters and former players... which could buy him some extra time. Dooley hoped to succeed then come back to rebuild those relationships on HIS terms. They were ready for the lynching last year too.

He may fail... I'm one of a battered few who are willing to openly express that the emperor may have no clothes.... but it definitely won't be for the same reasons Dooley did.
 
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volberry said:
He seemed to be respected until he came to ut. Was it a bad match? Did he not have the support? Or did he just plain suck a@#?
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As were seeing today he could not recruit players that could play at the SEC level. At least not enough of them. I think that considering his background this would be understandable because he was used to recruiting La. Tech type players. He would see a player and think how good they were and offer a scholarship not understanding what it takes to play in the SEC. So now Jones is locked into these players until he can get his recruits in. If after three years he hasn't upgraded the talent we still want win. You have to have great players to win in the SEC coaching is not the entire answer. Saban lost some games when he first got to Bama now through recruiting he is at the top of college football.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I agree here. It's amazing how everyone seems to blame that hire totally on Dooley, and it's very possible that Hart pushed it on him. People around here would never accept the fact that they hurt recruiting as its just a message board. Smh

He couldn't keep coordinators yet Chaney stayed and so did hinshaw. So obviously he could keep some. Amazes me how people think that every hire is a good fit too. Takes time to build that rapport, and then they still leave.

Imo the move to 3-4 was what he thought was best for the long run of the program. The guy knows what it takes to build a team, unlike others may think they know better, and took a chance. It flopped because he bet on the high scoring O to make up for the growing pains of on the D side. The O, mainly Bray, failed the team when it was put on his shoulders. Frankly cause he is a pompous azzz.

Finally the stupid azzz Grudenites. That was something that so many will not accept the fact that this negatively engulfed the program. Where people didn't see any positives. What should we expect from the Legion of the Miserable??

Going back to ur it's on Hart comments. I totally agree, and knew the guy was done when Hart wouldn't come out and defend his current coach. People are surprised and pissed at Dooley for quitting on the recruiting trail when his boss won't defend him. Not surprised. Heck Haden comes out defends Kiffin and all know he wants him gone. But he knows he needs to keep things in check before it hurts the program. Hart is on the clock now imo.
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So you sit there and defend Dooley to a degree but then blame the O and specifically Bray?

For the life of me I cannot believe people who even try to blame the Offense for last year. Did you even watch the Georgia and SC games? The O put up well enough points to win both those games and the Vols lost because the defense couldn't stop anything. Same thing for the Missouri game.

Could the offense have done better and yes some clutch times come through better? Sure, Florida and Missouri come to mind but the times they failed the team PALE in comparison to how badly the defense failed the team. If the defense even PRETENDS to show up in about 3-4 games last year, we're talking 8-4 at the least.

It's just mind numbingly stupid the blame put on the offense around here. I get Bray could be a punk and obviously had some attitude problems, but way too many people let that cloud their judgment.
 
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He did a poor job of recruiting top their talent... He did an even worse job as a leader of young men... And lastly, he didnt develop players. There wasnt any coaching up!!!!!!1
 
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He couldn't recruit with the rest of the SEC. And I've heard to many coaches say he wasn't a people person, so he couldn't connect with the players he did sign.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I think that considering his background this would be understandable because he was used to recruiting La. Tech type players. He would see a player and think how good they were and offer a scholarship not understanding what it takes to play in the SEC.
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Not true. He worked for Saban and was noted as a very good talent evaluator... that doesn't mean he's a good enough salesman to close the deal like Saban. Dooley was involved in landing some of the best players Saban brought to LSU. Knowing talent was not the problem... selling them on the idea of playing for him was.
 
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sjt18 said:
Not true. He worked for Saban and was noted as a very good talent evaluator... that doesn't mean he's a good enough salesman to close the deal like Saban. Dooley was involved in landing some of the best players Saban brought to LSU. Knowing talent was not the problem... selling them on the idea of playing for him was.
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He is evaluated on who he recruited here and we see the result so if he is a great talent evaluator as you say I guess he wasn't expecting to stay here very long. He even said we had the talent to compete in the SEC that last season so looks like his evaluation was wrong there also.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
He is evaluated on who he recruited here and we see the result so if he is a great talent evaluator as you say I guess he wasn't expecting to stay here very long. He even said we had the talent to compete in the SEC that last season so looks like his evaluation was wrong there also.
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Do you really not get it? Knowing that a player is a great talent is a far cry from being able to convince him to sign with you. Being able to evaluate talent DOES NOT MEAN that he was able to land those players in sufficient numbers. Do you understand now?

Let me say this way. I have no doubt that you know what the prettiest girl in school looks like... that does not mean you can get her to marry you. The fact that she won't marry you has no bearing on your ability to recognize beauty.
 
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sjt18 said:
Do you really not get it? Knowing that a player is a great talent is a far cry from being able to convince him to sign with you. Being able to evaluate talent DOES NOT MEAN that he was able to land those players in sufficient numbers. Do you understand now?

Let me say this way. I have no doubt that you know what the prettiest girl in school looks like... that does not mean you can get her to marry you. The fact that she won't marry you has no bearing on your ability to recognize beauty.
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I understand your a dimwit so why don't you go away. He failed to evaluate the talent in Tennessee that is a known fact as several of the kids were receptive to Tennessee and he ignored them. Now go away.
 
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