Why fire your best recruiting <position> coach?

#29
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UTVOLKeith said:
Bullsheet

BJ didn't want him here.

BJ is not taking advantage of the resources.

I'm mad as hell over that.
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Keith, have we been drinking again? The idea that Jones sabotaged Tee Martin is ridiculously insane. Add on the idea that Hinshaw was some miracle worker, and you have all the trappings of one of the silliest rants I've seen so far.

Like it or not, Kiffin and co. have put together solid seasons whereas Jones has just joined UT. There's no reason he should leave what appears to be a solid job in Southern California for a rebuilding project that could easily collapse in Tennessee.

As for Hinshaw, he did do a great job with the receivers this year, and he is solid at recruiting. However, if he has a personality that clashes with Jones or possesses recruiting/coaching principles that aren't compatible with the system, keeping him could simply lead to further conflict and complication for a program that can't afford it.

Obviously I don't have any inside information. My guess is you didn't want Jones and are still frustrated that Gruden isn't coach, so anything that Butch does will work your nerves. If you want to hunt for reasons to be mad, be my guest; a more mature approach would be to take a more measured approach and give him a chance to succeed (or fail).
 
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I neither played nor coached football at any level, so I don't have the answers. For all of you who complain about every little move or (in your mind) misstep that Coach Jones makes, how about posting your coaching resume in this forum so we can see what your qualifications are. Go ahead; I'll even pay for extra bandwidth if necessary.
 
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i think they call that coaching, putting together a staff to work together for the same goal. i don`t mean that to sound ugly. he has to have the people that fit his program, he`s the one that knows what he needs.
 
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TNGlen said:
? I thought CDD (and by proxy his coaching staff) couldn't recruit. At least that seemed to be the consensus on VN.
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I never said they could or couldn't. By saying he was dooleys best recruiter doesn't imply he was good. It was like say Coleman was our best DB
 
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Sackett said:
We all read where high school coaches were not impressed by UT's recruiting PR. Does that fall only on Dooley or does the former recruiting coordinator get some of the blame also?
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Very good question. Yes he does, but he is still very good and a bargain.
 
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offroadbum said:
i think they call that coaching, putting together a staff to work together for the same goal. i don`t mean that to sound ugly. he has to have the people that fit his program, he`s the one that knows what he needs.
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So he needed T but not Hinshaw, OK why?
 
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UTGhostHunter said:
He will be an accomplished coach who shares the same vision and philosophy that has allowed Butch Jones to succeed at his previous stops rather than one you want to keep based on his perceived value and skills.
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and BJ thought T's philosophy was what he needed?
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
The "odd" thing is obviously he did not get his first choice. Quite frankly I don't think he wanted T and he just made the offer because of the question at his press conference.
I think BJ sabotaged the T hire.

Now I ask who is he gonna get that would be better, especially since Hinshaw was the recruiting coordinator.

We need all the recruiters we can get.
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Take off the Tin Foil Hat.
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
and BJ thought T's philosophy was what he needed?
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That would certainly seem to be the general indicator. It could relate to numerous elements of his philosophy too. It could deal with the emphasis on route running or blocking, or it could be a matter of recruiting standards/approach. Any way you slice it, he met with Hinshaw, found something that led him to believe he wasn't an appropriate fit for the staff, and probably asked around about Tee and decided he was worth a meeting to say the least.
 
#46
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UTVOLKeith said:
post em up brother and i request a vlog on the staff...

you know researched and all
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I fully intend to do a whole vlog on the new staff, top to bottom. All in all, there certainly is a very Cincy feel to the whole thing, but the non-Cincy hires have a distinctly SEC feel to them.
 
#47
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UTVOLKeith said:
I didn't say make him RC, just keep a great recruiter that is in contact with all the prospects on staff seems logical.

Especially when you are still trying to find a coach for that position. Which by the way was the most productive ever.
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You don't keep a coach around to hold together 1 recruiting class that logical thinking is what got us in the position we are in now
 
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well utvolkeith i can`t answer that i`m not butch jones. a coach is a manager just like any other when it comes to personal, so i have no clue why he did that.
 
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UTGhostHunter said:
That would certainly seem to be the general indicator. It could relate to numerous elements of his philosophy too. It could deal with the emphasis on route running or blocking, or it could be a matter of recruiting standards/approach. Any way you slice it, he met with Hinshaw, found something that led him to believe he wasn't an appropriate fit for the staff, and probably asked around about Tee and decided he was worth a meeting to say the least.
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And "if you can recruit, you can recruit"

I'll be honest that scares the crap out of me man. This class can not be a bust. If it is BJ seals his fate.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
You don't keep a coach around to hold together 1 recruiting class that logical thinking is what got us in the position we are in now
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LOL, wow well if you don't understand the importance of this class. We need to establish a core with this class. It is
absolutely critical.
 
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