Why fire your best recruiting <position> coach?

#51
#51
UTVOLKeith said:
And "if you can recruit, you can recruit"

I'll be honest that scares the crap out of me man. This class can not be a bust. If it is BJ seals his fate.
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I don't necessarily disagree, but so far the class has been underwhelming. I'm okay with a change in the athletes being recruited if it means an upgrade in the caliber of athlete or a better system fit being brought in. So far in his career, Jones has done a lot with athletes that mostly wouldn't be regarded as SEC caliber, so let's give him a chance to bring in some high-caliber SEC grade athletes and see what happens.
 
#52
#52
This isn't going to be a make or break class for him. Frankly, Dooley and Crew weren't doing the best job in the SEC at recruiting this year.
 
#53
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UTGhostHunter said:
I don't necessarily disagree, but so far the class has been underwhelming. I'm okay with a change in the athletes being recruited if it means an upgrade in the caliber of athlete or a better system fit being brought in. So far in his career, Jones has done a lot with athletes that mostly wouldn't be regarded as SEC caliber, so let's give him a chance to bring in some high-caliber SEC grade athletes and see what happens.
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I will tell you what will happen if BJ brings in even a middle SEC class. We are doomed. You have followed it and know it. You win with recruiting in SEC. We recruited some of the best WRs and a solid 4 star OL, lucked up on a QB and had the best O without having a top RB. Just imagine for a minute if we had a stud RB.... If Wilcod had not left....well anyway. My point is yes you can win with the right elite players at the right positions.

Otherwise you better be a recruiting machine like satan, grass eater, chump

I will guarantee, promise you this>>>>>> BJ is not Petrino.

he is not petrino man
 
#54
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The only two assistants who showed improved performance in their areas were Graham and Pittman. Hinshaw is a good recruiter but was mediocre as a position coach both with QB's and WR's.
 
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Tenn Ted said:
This isn't going to be a make or break class for him. Frankly, Dooley and Crew weren't doing the best job in the SEC at recruiting this year.
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Yea but what if Hinshaw could have brought in some of the 4 stars he was recruiting...that maybe liked the school but not the results but would reconsider with the coaching change.
 
#56
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Lots of good recruiters out there. Butch is creating clear separation from the losing ways of Dooley, except the great Jay Graham, who knows how to win at UT.
 
#57
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UTVOLKeith said:
The "odd" thing is obviously he did not get his first choice. Quite frankly I don't think he wanted T and he just made the offer because of the question at his press conference.
I think BJ sabotaged the T hire.
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Do you honestly believe that?
 
#58
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sjt18 said:
The only two assistants who showed improved performance in their areas were Graham and Pittman. Hinshaw is a good recruiter but was mediocre as a position coach both with QB's and WR's.
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OK got it.

So BJ is starting from scratch. Is that a good idea?
 
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UTVOLKeith said:
I will guarantee, promise you this>>>>>> BJ is not Petrino.

he is not petrino man
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They have a somewhat similar history of doing more with less if you consider recruit ratings a true measure of talent.

We will see if Jones is Petrino with morals, integrity, and driving skills... but he has a history of doing more with less.
 
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#61
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UTVOLKeith said:
I will tell you what will happen if BJ brings in even a middle SEC class. We are doomed. You have followed it and know it. You win with recruiting in SEC. We recruited some of the best WRs and a solid 4 star OL, lucked up on a QB and had the best O without having a top RB. Just imagine for a minute if we had a stud RB.... If Wilcod had not left....well anyway. My point is yes you can win with the right elite players at the right positions.

Otherwise you better be a recruiting machine like satan, grass eater, chump

I will guarantee, promise you this>>>>>> BJ is not Petrino.

he is not petrino man
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I agree. He won't screw some blonde bimbo, load her up on his motorcycle, and drive off a cliff.

That said, his results have spoken for themselves. You have already made up your mind about him, so nothing I say will change it. Just remember that if you can coach up the talent, you will win.
 
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I like Hinshaw but VN is overrating him a lot. Anyone could have coached the talent we had at receiver and i thought they underperformed. He was a solid recruiter and those guys are everywhere. Pitman was a great coach and i hated to see him go but the blocking schemes are different so he needs his own guy. Not that hard to understand.
 
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#63
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UTVOLKeith said:
I will tell you what will happen if BJ brings in even a middle SEC class. We are doomed. You have followed it and know it. You win with recruiting in SEC. We recruited some of the best WRs and a solid 4 star OL, lucked up on a QB and had the best O without having a top RB. Just imagine for a minute if we had a stud RB.... If Wilcod had not left....well anyway. My point is yes you can win with the right elite players at the right positions.

Otherwise you better be a recruiting machine like satan, grass eater, chump

I will guarantee, promise you this>>>>>> BJ is not
Petrino.

he is not petrino man
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That would be ideal. Urban did it at OSU his first year. It just doesn't seem realistic for CBJ to do something like that this year. That is reserved for big time football schools that make big time hires.
 
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sjt18 said:
They have a somewhat similar history of doing more with less if you consider recruit ratings a true measure of talent.

We will see if Jones is Petrino with morals, integrity, and driving skills... but he has a history of doing more with less.
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You know what I say?

Do more with more.

BJ was given almost a blank check.

I say to BJ>>>>>>>> CEO it man. That's why you are making 3Mil, you got the money buy the best, open your eyes, wake up.
 
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Wr had a lot of dropped passes and piss pour routes they ran. Some of that is on them but talent has to be coached up.
 
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#66
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Keith,
This is like hiring a plumber...let the man do his job. Don't stand there telling him what to do. At some point in your life...you going to have to have a little faith in someone.

Besides, the booger boy wouldnt lead us astray
 
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UTGhostHunter said:
I agree. He won't screw some blonde bimbo, load her up on his motorcycle, and drive off a cliff.

That said, his results have spoken for themselves. You have already made up your mind about him, so nothing I say will change it. Just remember that if you can coach up the talent, you will win.
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No I have not.

My mind is fluid man, easily changed with good arguments.
 
#68
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UTVOLKeith said:
OK got it.

So BJ is starting from scratch. Is that a good idea?
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I honestly don't know. He may have thought Tee was more of a sure thing than he was.

What's Kippy doing these days btw?

All I know at this point is that he's only chosen to keep Graham who is both a good coach and stud recruiter. He told the rest to seek employment elsewhere. I tend to think I would have kept Pittman... but it isn't my job at risk. Dooley's fate might have been different if he'd had/taken more time to select his first staff.

Jones is now on the clock. This one recruiting class won't sink him. But if he doesn't close reasonably strong he better find some studs in the next one. Because as we have now seen... this fanbase doesn't care how much time is reasonable to get the program turned around... they'll be calling for his head if he doesn't win next fall.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Keith,
This is like hiring a plumber...let the man do his job. Don't stand there telling him what to do. At some point in your life...you going to have to have a little faith in someone.

Besides, the booger boy wouldnt lead us astray
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tried that man

you wanna know what i have decided?

i gonna speak my mind when something really eats at it

otherwise well ... then well what you got but regrets or "i wish i would have said that"
 
#71
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I guess we need to see if any of these Cincinnati coaches can recruit because if the can't then CBJ is in for a bad time in the SEC.
 
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#72
Dude, hinshaw needed to go...they all needed to go. That bunch was rancid. The only thing that saved jay was that he was only involved for one year, the backs improved and he was a former vol
 
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#74
#74
Jax_Vol said:
Dude, hinshaw needed to go...they all needed to go. That bunch was rancid. The only thing that saved jay was that he was only involved for one year, the backs improved and he was a former vol
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and he was black.

now don't take that the wrong way please.

i really believe that.
 
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